2012 Rafael Furcal
80 / 317 atbats = 25.2%
"Why would you minus home runs? "
Because if a guy hits a solo homerun, how many runs score? One, but he is given a run and a RBI. Why should he get credit for scoring 2 runs when he only actually scored one?
I already explained earlier in the thread though why it is wrong to subtract homeruns:
* Player A is on second base. Player B doubles and drives him in. Player A is credited with +1 (run), while Player B is credited with +1 (RBI). That is two points created in your system for one run.
* Player A hits a homerun. Player A is credited with +1 (run) and +1 (RBI). The two points go to player A because he both drove himself in and scored the run.
"* Player A is on second base. Player B doubles and drives him in. Player A is credited with +1 (run), while Player B is credited with +1 (RBI). That is two points created in your system for one run."
Not it isn't. If you were looking at it in terms of a team then yes, but he brought it down to individual players. The idea is looking at an individual player and saying if he contributed to scoring a run, both of those players contributed to scoring 1 run. Which if you look at it, the formula would say. Now if a player hits a homerun, if you keep homeruns then you saying he contributed to 2 runs scored which isn't the case.
for the record, I'm not saying if this is a good or bad way to judge a player, just explaining the logic of not using homeruns which if you were to do a formula like this, I would agree. Although I will say it isn't the best form of evaluation
Well, if you want to break it down like that, then a run and an RBI should each be be worth 1/2 a point instead of 1 point. You can't score a run without someone hitting you in (stealing home or errors notwithstanding) -- you can't get an RBI without someone else scoring ahead of you.
It then just comes down to a matter of semantics -- 1/2 pt for a run, 1/2 point for an RBI = 1 run.
A homerun = 1/2 pt for a run + 1/2 pt for an RBI = 1 run.
I guess the core issue is that unless you hit a home run, you can't really "create" a full run on your own unless you steal home. But that just opens a whole other can of worms which further illustrates why the whole runs+RBIs concept as an indicator of actual runs created and value of a player is flawed.
Think of it as the number of runs a player contributes to. If a player scores a run he contributes to 1 run, if he gets an RBI he contributes to 1 run, if he hits a solo homerun he contributes to 1 run. But if you don't take away the homeruns you are saying he contributed to 2 runs which would be false.
Like I said, I don't think it is a good way to evaluate a player, but if you are going to use a formula like this then taking away homeruns is the right thing to do
AB with RISP
Castro - 93LaHair - 54Soriano - 72
average with RISP
Castro .290LaHair .164Soriano .236
that plays a bigger factor