I agree with you completely regarding Zimm. He has a good chance of reaching the HOF. He is the Nats first star. He gave the Nat's fan something to cheer about during 6 losing seasons. How quickly some forget and turn on their heros. For years baseball fans outside DC knew only one Nats player, Ryan Zimmerman. I know, because I've attended plenty of Nats away games thru the years as they make their west coast swing.
Zimm needs two things to make it to the Hall. Stay healthy and have a decent LH bat behind him.
LOLWeirdly, the Yankees won a few with a lineup that featured the slowest guy on the team - forget who - hitting leadoff.
For a guy who's reputation is an avid stats guy, DJ doesn't juggle his lineup that much. Felipe Alou juggled his more than anyone I ever saw and he'd always have one of those "this guy is 5 for 8 against tonight's pitcher or this guy has a little shoulder tweak and can't drive the ball like usual" kind of rationale.
Players got used to it - even if some didn't especially like it - and played well. One thing about it: if you were a bench player you came to every game ready to be in the lineup as you just never knew til you saw it posted. Other thing was, nobody thought they owned any particular spot in the batting order so the changes were no big deal.
>>I agree with you completely regarding Zimm. He has a good chance of reaching the HOF<<_____
You are joking, aren't you?
Ray: He's had some nice numbers when healthy, but even those over a career are not enough for the hOF. He will not have 500 home runs (and probably not 400) if healthy, his batting average will not be .300 over his career, his career OPS is a "B" Level, his OBP is the equivalent of Bill White, Hal McCrae, and Gary Roenicke, all decent players, but not HOF, and his Isolated Power number (.184) is middle of the pack. I just don't see it even under the best of circumstances._____
Let's go Nationals!
" I just don't see it even under the best of circumstances."
That's the problem with all the numbers you posted. Zimm hasn't played under the best of circumstances. He has palyed for the Nats.
He's only 27 which means he's just entering his prime. He now has a team around him. As I said, he needs to stay healthy, have a good LH bat behind him for a little protection, and needs a decent 1bman to throw to. He has the talent, just not enough to do it all by himself. Heck, if Walter Johnson hadn't palyed for Washington, they'd be calling it the "Big Train Award", not the Cy Young.
I'm basing it on the fact that he is an elite third baseman and the assumption that he will continue to be. If they move him to first base (as some suggest) then yes, not a chance he makes the hall. And if he stays at third but loses his range and his reflexes slow down, similarly, not a chance.
But Zimmerman to date has been a hall-of-fame caliber third basemen. Not quite Brooks Robinson but not far. And Brooks hit under .270 and under 270 homeruns, he too would not be in the hall if not an elite thirdbaseman. (Zimmerman doesn't have a great arm, but neither did Brooks.
>>"But Zimmerman to date has been a hall-of-fame caliber third basemen. Not quite Brooks Robinson but not far. And Brooks hit under .270 and under 270 homeruns, he too would not be in the hall if not an elite thirdbaseman."
I agree he's an elite defensive third basemen, perhaps the best overall glove at the position in the Majors, but he's trailing Brooks by a lot in a number of ways, and it's already too late to catch him on most of them.
Some of Brooks other numbers/awards:
MVP- '64MVP - 2nd - '66 (behind the other Robinson on his team)MVP - 3rd - '59 & '65MVP - 4th - '71
World Series MVP - 1970
All-Star Game - 15 appearances (all consecutive) '60 - '74.Gold Gloves - 16 (all consecutive) '60 - '75.