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    • Belt's Attitude?
  • 4/16/12
  • RNO13Giants

"What if he hits badly?"

Then I'd accept it. I'd rather give him the chance and have him fail than to never get a real shot to begin with. But honestly, do you see him being worse offensively for his career then someone like J.T. Snow was in a typical season?

"You would still keep him in, jeopardizing the Giants playoff chances?"

He'd have to be a massive flop to jeopardize the teams chances. Like hitting well below .200 for a few months. But no, I wouldn't keep him in. If he was that bad after being given a shot I'd have no problem with the team benching him or getting him back to AAA.

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  • 4/16/12
  • joebat23

Belt is the #1 option at first base. He did enough last year to win the job hands down this year. A .225 BA with 9 HR's in 187 AB's. Project that out over the 521 AB's that Huff got and you end up with a rookie who hit .225 with 25 HR's. Project it out over an average season where he was the full-time starter and he hits almost 30 HR's. Which one of you wouldn't be happy with those numbers, as a rookie. Some of you people are really short sighted. Brandon Crawford gets the chance to start after hitting .200 displaying almost no hitting ability. But Brandon Belt gets yoyo-ed around by bunch of idiots in the FO and Blowchy after having a very creditable rookie year, all because they were idiots and signed the aging non-performing veteran and can't admit their mistake. Huff is a nothing.

These guys (Sabean, Bochy) got lucky one year, but they've been taken to the cleaners by a bunch of frauds and their luck has run out and severely cost the franchise hundreds of millions. And they try to blame it on Belt.

You people are seriously misjudging this guy's capabilities. He's not playing regularly for one reason -- that fraud Huff defrauded Sabean just like DeRosa did, just like Tejada did, just like Zito did, just like Uribe almost did (thank you dodgers for saving us), just like Rowand did. These guys steamrolled Sabean and Bochy for hundreds of millions of dollars of wasted money, and now these incompetent clowns can't own up to the multitide of mistakes they've made. Blowchy has already cost us at least one game this year, because he's an idiot. And as a result, they're punishing and badmouthing and ruining one of their best prospects.

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  • 4/16/12
  • RNO13Giants

"Belt, at the most is a 5th OF and 3 in the depth chart at 1st behind Huff and Pill"

Belt is not an Outfielder. Never was. The guy is a First Basemen. It's his natural position. There is also no way Pill is ahead of the guy. Pill has an odd following here that is almost as knee-jerk positive as Belt is knee-jerk negative. If Huff broke his leg in today's game, Belt would be in full-time not Pill...

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  • 4/16/12
  • mh-i

"If Huff broke his leg in today's game, Belt would be in full-time not Pill..."

Until he stopped hitting and then Pill would the guy until he stopped hitting.

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  • 4/16/12
  • RNO13Giants

"Until he stopped hitting"

You mean 'Unless he stopped hitting"...

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  • 4/16/12
  • mh-i
Is "if" better?
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  • 4/16/12
  • RNO13Giants
Meh. Same difference.
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  • 4/16/12
  • joebat23
Go ahead and close your eyes. Belt hits hit just 3 fewer HR's than Huff in 334 fewer AB's. And you don't think he would have far surpassed Huff -- at least gotten another 9 more in twice as many AB's -- if he had gotten those 334 extra AB's? Some people can't face up to reality. Wow this is why we are where we are and AZ is where they are.
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  • 4/16/12
  • CenCoastGFAN

"What if he hits badly? You would still keep him in, jeopardizing the Giants playoff chances?"

For Christ's sake man...are you really serious with these questions?

People want to see Belt get some consistent playing time in order to see if he can adjust to the big leagues and bring some of the success that he had at every level of the minor leagues. It's not complicated.

People don't want to see him jacked around and sent down and called up 3 times like last year. People don't want to see him get benched because he doesn't go 4 for 4 every night. You really think that if Belt got starts this season like Huff did last year and failed we'd all still be screaming for Bochy to play him every day? Belt never had 100 at bats at one time before being sent down and finished the season with less than 200 ABs total. This year he got 11 at bats before being benched.

I know there are some here that feel like he should have lit the world on fire in those limited opportunities and since he didn't he's just not good enough to get playing time over the great Aubrey Huff or Nate Schierholtz. They'd argue that those limited opportunities are all a 22 year old player should receive to show what he can do and succeed. Then there are those of us who contend that it may take a young kid like Belt with all of his 2 years of pro ball a little more time to get adjusted. Some of us point out that there have been many good ball players that needed time to find their groove and gain success. Of course, somehow we're whiners for feeling that way.

It's funny to read all of these posts about people that "want to put Belt before the team", "think Belt is the next Albert Pujols", "think Belt should be babied and shouldn't have to earn his playing time" etc etc.

None of it is based on reality. People want to see if this kid has what it takes by giving him regular starts. Belt has the kind of upside that could help this team immensely if he can reach it. Huff will not be a Giant this time next year and he's not the Huff of 2010. He's the one who's had a full opportunity to prove that. Regardless of a track record he's the one that has been given the long leash and he choked on it. It makes a little bit of sense to see what Belt's got now and to know if he can be the everyday first baseman next year. If there were some young stud that Belt would be blocking people wouldn't be calling for him to start. That person simply doesn't exist.

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  • 4/16/12
  • CenCoastGFAN

So if the Giants are in contention for the next 5 years then they shouldn't give any prospects some rope to struggle?

I'm not being facetious. That's just what I'm getting from your post and I have to disagree. Teams with playoff hopes have to develop players too, and we don't live in a perfect world where they all hit the ground running. It just doesn't work that way.

Anytime Huff's name is mentioned the only logjam that I can think of relates to a septic tank rather than a ball field. I'm not saying that I've written Huff off at this point but it's just bizarre to read posts from people that say Belt needs to show what he can do in 11 at bats to get playing time over a guy who stunk it up in over 500 ABs last season. I get the whole "play the hot hand" thing but I'd just argue that 11 at bats aren't even enough to qualify a guy as hot or cold let alone legit or a bust.

Lastly, I don't see people arguing that Belt should get the whole season to sink or swim. 100-200 regular at bats would be nice.

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  • 4/16/12
  • RNO13Giants

"I get what the Belt lovers want"

I'm no more a "Belt lover" than you are a "Pill lover" or "Huff lover". Personally I see myself as a fan who feels Belt been treated and used poorly.

"a contending team which already has a logjam at 1B"

Huff constitutes a 'log jam'?

"Huff hasn't hit bad enough to warrant a demotion"

Really?

Huff:
.217/.357/.435
1 HR, 3 RBI's

If that's not 'bad enough', what will be?

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  • 4/16/12
  • CenCoastGFAN

"I'm no more a "Belt lover" than you are a "Pill lover" or "Huff lover". Personally I see myself as a fan who feels Belt been treated and used poorly."

Well said, and consider me "in your boat".

Again, if we're disapointed that Belt doesn't seem to be getting a good shot at showing what he can do and bring to the team we're "Belt lovers" first, "Giants lovers" second.

It's all gotten pretty comical really.

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