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"so if we find a citizen in the US suspected of terrorist activities, we can just bomb him? really?"
the key word is suspected. this "citizen" that was taken out was well beyond a suspect. to answer your question, no i don't think a suspect should be taken out. it's not like this guy was sitting at his home in kentucky watching basketball. he was in yemen or wherever actively conspiring with other known terrorists, planning to kill americans. huge difference
"I hate foreign aid. Wars are a waste, Border, I blame Democrats, tehy're the one's suing States that are trying to enforce controls. "
of course you do. you're a sorry excuse for an american
the key word is suspected. this "citizen" that was taken out was well beyond a suspect. to answer your question.........
he was suspected and probably was doing it. but we usually arrest people we believe are doing bad that are citizens. even mobsters we don't just go and bomb them even if we have eye witness accounts of what they did. they are just as bad as this guy,but I guess we let presidents decide who has rights and don't.
he was in yemen or wherever actively conspiring with other known terrorists, planning to kill americans. huge difference
huffington post (this is not a right leaning paper):
At least three recently filed lawsuits have sought to force the Obama administration to publicly release its legal justification for the attack, contained in a secret Justice Department memo. The Associated Press also filed a FOIA request for the memo, which was denied. The AP has appealed.
Hina Shamsi with the American Civil Liberties Union, one of the groups suing for the memo, said if Holder can discuss the targeted killing program publicly, the memo should be released and its position defended in court.
"Few things are as dangerous to American liberty as the proposition that the government should be able to kill citizens anywhere in the world on the basis of legal standards and evidence that are never submitted to a court, either before or after the fact," Shamsi said. "Anyone willing to trust President Obama with the power to secretly declare an American citizen an enemy of the state and order his extrajudicial killing should ask whether they would be willing to trust the next president with that dangerous power."
University of Notre Dame international law expert Mary Ellen O'Connell also said the memo should be released to reveal more about the administration's position.
"From what we know so far, the memo is highly reminiscent of the torture memos written during the Bush administration, in which irrelevant U.S. cases and statutes are cited in order to give the CIA a green light," she said. "The relevant international law does not permit targeted killing far from battle zones."
The American economy is doomed unless the Federal government finally:
1. deals with the crippling cost of private and public health insurance inflation by introducing government and employer financed health care debit cards as a substantially cheaper and more efficient alternative to the inherently inflationary Medicare, Medicaid, and private health insurance systems. Such a system empowers individuals and families to choose the best health care services from the doctors, hospitals and clinics of their choice at the lowest or most reasonable prices rather than having the government or private health insurance companies tell you what doctors, hospitals, or clinics you have to utilize:
How a real public option could reduce deficits, create jobs, and save the US economyhttp://newpapyrusmagazine.blogspot.com/2001/11/how-real-public-option-could.html
2. Reduce Federal taxes or corporations from 35% down to 10% (which would be the lowest in the industrialized world) while making up for the loss revenue with a 0.5% transaction tax on stock trades. Such stock transaction taxes currently exist in Britain, Singapore, Hong Kong, Germany, and Japan and many other nations.
3. provide incentives for energy companies to start building more carbon neutral power plants (nuclear, solar, wind) and carbon neutral synfuel plants (urban and rural biowaste, CO2 from air combined with nuclear hydrogen, etc.) in the US (creating millions of jobs) by mandating that at least 50% of the electricity produced by a utility and 10% of the transportation fuel sold in the US come from carbon neutral resources by 2020, and 90% of electricity and 50% of transportation fuel by 2030. A 15% sin tax on energy production will be placed on all utilities that fail to reach these percentages and a similar tax would be placed of transportation fuel that failed to reach Federal percentage levels. By 2040, in should be mandated that 90% of all transportation fuel must come from carbon neutral resources with, again, the penalty of a 15% sin tax on fuels that don't reach this criteria.
4. Hire more Federal and local government employees. Yes. Hire more government workers!!! But do it by not increasing government expenditures but by reducing the work week for government employees from 40 hours per week to 32 hours (finally the 4 day work week).
That would mean a 20% increase in Federal and local government hiring without increasing government expenditures while also substantially reducing the cost of unemployment insurance (over $100 billion in unemployment insurance benefits were payed out in 2011, over $150 billion in 2010). Since government workers tend to make more than individuals in the private sector, the reduction in weekly income should not be too severe, (its a lot better than being an unemployed government worker). This could also lower the cost of overtime pay since individuals who worked an extra day per week are still not working more than 40 hours per week. Of course, any government worker who doesn't like a 32 hour work week could always take their chances trying to get a job with decent pay in the private sector.
5. Increase tariffs on nations that are not free and democratic (China, Saudi Arabia, etc) while lowering or eliminating tariffs on goods from nations that are free and democratic.
6. Increase government investment in space. The greatest amount of economic growth we've had in this country over the last 60 years was during the Kennedy-Johnson era when we were spending the most dollars developing new space technology. During the Kennedy-Johnson era, spending on our civilian space program reached nearly $34 billion annually. It is estimated that for every dollar spent during the Apollo era, an additional $7 of wealth was eventually created (over a trillion dollars of additional wealth!). Today we only half spend half as much on our space program (less than $18 billion annually) which represents less than 0.5% of total Federal spending. Spending Federal dollars for a Moon base and to help private companies to develop their own manned spaceflight capability may not be politically popular, but it would make us a lot richer. And that's why China is going to the Moon-- to make more money!
dude was a terrorist, get over it already. if bushco had done it, you wouldn't say a word............
he was an american accused of terrorism. I said it was wrong when bush wire tapped people because we do expect a certain level of rights for citizens. I guess its all out the window,just accuse them of terrorism and they are prime for bombing.
America has been in decline for a while, and it isn't the fault of any one individual or party. It's the same thing that happens to all great societies (especially those who practice empire building), the get fat and lazy, over extend their boundaries (physically and personally) and eventually are overrun from within.
I think politicis is more to blame then the people. we keep changing the playing field to make it harder for businesses to be successful. we demonize and vilify them and then wonder why they move over seas.
think politicis is more to blame then the people. we keep changing the playing field to make it harder for businesses to be successful. we demonize and vilify them and then wonder why they move over seas.>>>>>>>>>>>
Look at the auto industry years ago they put out garbage product that only 3rd world countries would buy. The one thing that is constant in any business is change, if you cannot adjust to change or the climate of an industry you die.
Industries have moved because they don't want to put filters on smokestacks or pay benefits or any of the other nasty things a decent corporation does. Why would anyone want to pay an american worker 10-15 bucks an hour when he can go to Mexico set up shop and avoid all those legal issues about ethics for fair labor practices or disposal of waste etc. That corp can get a laborer for 20 bucks a week work him 6 days a week and watch him suffer from black hands disease or some other form of carpal tunnel. Then when he's ruined his dominant hand and done the same to his other hand he says he can't use the guy any more.
We only demonize them because they took advantage of good, strong american workers and used and abused them for about 200 years. Don't forget ! Not only did they squash workers rights but absolutely polluted any and water ways and dumping ground they saw fit.
Just look at China if you want to loosen controls for business in the US.
this guy wasn't guilty simply because he was accused. he was a legitimate enemy in a war.........
read the article i posted. international rules say that unless they are caught on a battlefield,they can not just be shot. especially if its a citizen.