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Does God Exist (Insults Allowed in This Discussion)
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I wonder if anyone said this in any God threads:
I believe that there are people of all faiths who are not "doomed" because their beliefs are not "Christian". I believe Heaven is full of people from all walks of life (including the atheists and agnostic). To say God is not capable of reaching different people in different regions thru different methods imho actually limits God's awesomeness.
I've heard Christians say the Holy Qu'ran is the "devil's doctrine". Mormonism is, well, whatever...
There is a story of Abraham where it says God "credited Abraham's faith as righteousness."
So if a person is a devout Muslim who isn't beating women and strapping bombs to his nuts are you saying his faith to God (Allah) won't be credited as righteousness? Is a faithful Buddhist who takes care of his family and lives a good life going to <hell?
I try to avoid the doomsday Christians. They'll tell you if you don't recognize Jesus as Lord and Savior you don't know the Truth and you're going to <hell. I am fortunate that I believe in Jesus, the on sent here to die so that we may be forgiven. But I struggle to believe that some who may not have had the chance to know Jesus are automatically doomed, especially if they are loyal to their Faiths.
Also I believe that we are not here to judge. We have enough responsibility to getting our lives and our own houses in order, so i don't have time to sit around judging someone else's faith.
I also believe that it's quite a catch-22 that the President who the Con-Christians wanted to turn into a Muslim (Islam doesn't recognize Jesus as Lord and Savior) will support the Mormon (who thinks he's God and also doesn't recognize Jesus as Lord and Savior). Its like what I said in '08, some of these people will vote for Lucifer himself in order to avoid voting for Obama. Am I the only one who thinks DAMIEN: OMEN 2 (the original) when looking at Mitt Romney?
LOL
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i agree with everything you wrote.
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ElPablo
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About your first post: ok, it's all good.
About your second post:
You can't look for the absolute truth for this topic, you should know that. Someone who says they KNOW God exists is as stupid as someone who says they KNOW God doesn't exist. Other religious beliefs might fall under a similar pattern similar (others not), but at least those are more debatable. There is absolutely NO way to prove either side correct.
That said, if you look on the internet and through books and articles, you will find definitive find more, for the lack of a better word, "reasons" to believe God doesn't exist. That stance is a much more scientific, controlled, precise, systematic, whatever.
If you look more at your life/other lives, you may feel more inclined to believe that there is a God, especially if you have gone through something traumatic, miraculous, or spiritual. It's the side of the argument that is harder to articulate in words, considering, for the most part, it is more of a "gut-feeling" and less of a "if this, then this" type feeling.
I'm sure you already acknowledge most of this. This is just the way I view the topic as a whole. If you didn't already know, I believe God exists. That's all I really can say.
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Dam, I really under estimated you.
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I'll take that as a compliment.
But <damn you! I had to edit out a mistake a missed. Oh well.
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Only God would realize that that was a Yes or No post, so...you must be God!
*sacrifices sheep*
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Just to clarify, when I said I spent a lot of my life going to the gold standards on theology, science and philosophy on the God debate, I really mean that I mostly went to the best arguments FOR God. I haven't read any CS Lewis for quite a few years now and would still feel confident going into a Quote-Off on his apologetic writings (especially Screwtape Letters and Mere Christianity).
As for looking for God in scholarly stuff vs seeing him in life experience stuff (sorry if that's a bad paraphrasing), I don't really know what the standard is for looking for God in my life or in the lives of others, but I can say I probably grade decently at it? Lol, I'm wording this in such a ridiculous and sterile way, but I mean I feel that I do pay a lot of attention to my life, if that makes any sense. I'm a writer, so I try to look at the sense, the senseless, the hilarious, the unnoticed and all as much as I can. I also obviously read quite a bit which gives me a lot of other subjective perspectives on things. My very callused, atheistic response to a lot of it is something like "small sample size; i'm only giving my own experiences disproportionate consideration because it is my own life; confirmation bias; etc."
I still find tons of meaning (and meaninglessness) in my life, but I haven't found that within it there is the key to the cosmos. I think it's pretty possible that my life is meaningless, which I sometimes find depressing, other times find liberating, and the vast majority of the time barely acknowledge at all, and I think that my perceptions are pretty much honed by millions of generations of things eating and <fucking, so the further I get from the sexy and the delicious, the further I am likely to get away from understanding, so I don't much see why I should be so full of myself to think that I HAVE to come across the answer or that surely somewhere SOMETHING in my life is the key. I might just be a really smart ape.
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I think you are MD. Maybe Tarrou or Ortiz. Possibly some others. But most likely MD.
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"I just think it's interesting that people born in Kansas are going to be raised to believe in Jesus; people in India will be Hindu; Pakistan- Islam; Shikoku, Japan- Buddhist. Faith, to me, seems to be more based on where you were born than on the basis of any interpretation. Its kind of interesting/silly to me that people will kill/hate/pillage each other based on this."
Nailed it. It's wild to consider what some people will do for their religion. Some people from certain sects of Islam will blow themselves up in the name of their religion. Now I don't know if any of the 'right-winged' posters would do that for their beliefs, but maybe if they thought that's what their God wanted, they would.
I look at a guy like Tebow. Obviously he's devoutly religious. He knows he's getting made fun of by guys on his team, other teams, and millions around the world because of his beliefs. Doesn't seem to bother him at all. This is a man with conviction. What if Tebow had been born in a place like Qatar? Let's pretend he's basically the same guy, and able to develop the same religious passion. Only he develops it for a distorted brand of Islam, one that desperately seeks to prove it kicks the <shit out of any other branch of Islam, or any religion for that matter.
Obviously this happens all the time all over the world. Passionate people become passionate about the religion they grew up with. As sure as Tebow is that his religion is great, there are a million other Tebows who are just as sure as sure that they know what's up as it pertains to God. To me, it just doesn't seem likely that one religion has it right and all the others have it wrong. I don't think people from one part of the world are inherently smarter than people from another, so I think it's much more likely that they're all wrong.
This isn't to say that there is no God, because I think it's very possible there is one. I just don't think anyone:
A. Can know for sure
B. Can know how this God wants us to act
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My best guess is either NufCed, BooRadley, or KingKidd. Either way, I've actually enjoyed this gimmick. The majority of the time, alternate accounts that are meant to be funny, usually aren't funny, but I do like this...as long as whoever's doing it it doesn't overdo it. So hopefully it'll be done in about a week. And then whoever's doing it will reveal themselves and we'll all have a hearty chuckle about it. I actually laughed really hard at "breatheinmyblowbag".
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< I just don't think anyone:
A. Can know for sure
B. Can know how this God wants us to act>
Indeed.
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ElPablo
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If you want my answer, there are no standards for looking for God in your life. In fact, it would probably be a very stressful and frustrating if you just kept searching and searching, but couldn't find anything. Consider that maybe you just are not that type of person, one that can have faith in such a thing.
This third paragraph is the type of train of thought that I wish some people would just ignore. Life is life man! Don't ask why you are eating a donut, just sit down and enjoy it. I can tell you are definitely the type of person that enjoys finding answers. Well, if you want the real answer to the meaning of life, it's that you should shut the <fuck up and have some fun. If you want to figure out what fun is, go watch Spongebob.
By the way, good luck with your book. Give me some heads up on it's progress, if you ever get the chance.
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I was going to comment something to this effect. The gimmick is pretty funny.
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Ok, so it's you. Good to know. <3
I'd bet you it's not BooRads or Nufced. Maybe KingKidd...
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If it is not you, I'd appreciate it if you made a spin-off gimmick and call it GrabBag. Conversations between that guy and BlowBag would be Euphemism City.
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Hahahaha.
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