I want nothing to do with Soriano and Dempster.
I would love to add Garza if the price was reasonable... something like: Tillman, Hunter, Esposito
I would not do the deal. Soriano is a pain in the butt and the Cubs cannot wait to unload him. Nick comes back and who would you bench to make room for a guy that will not help our clubhouse at all? Dempster at age 36 and on the DL. No thanks. So, the deal is all about Garza. I'm not desperate enough to take that chance and give up young arms. I have not yet written off any of our starters down to Norfolk and we have Bundy in the wings who will pitch in the bigs sooner than later. We may trade for another starter at some point but not the Cubs deal currently.
Besides, this season is about winning and changing the mindset in Baltimore. It is happening and we have all winter to deal for another starter if needed. I am more concerned about the corners of our infield at this stage. Let the starters work out their problems.
Still against this deal for the same reasons stated numerous times in the last thread about this deal.
Garza is the most valuable of the three, but the Cubs will want more than most teams would be willing to give up just for him, with Duquette running this team, a deal with the Orioles is extremely unlikely IMO.
Dempster is having a career year at the age of 35, his peripherals indicate that he should have a higher ERA, he is the ultimate buy-high candidate right now even if he is still on the DL.
Soriano is closer to being 40 than he is 30. If the season finished right now, his OBP would be the highest it's been since 2008, but it's still about 20 points below Mark Reynolds' OBP. I think that this team has been doing pretty good with their youth movement so far, let Soriano get traded to the MFY or Red Sox where he can be with people his own age group. lol. They would not want him either though.
Two of the players are in their mid to late 30's, one of those is on the DL right now and Soriano had some time on the DL last year. I know that we have relatively young players that get injured (Reimold) but we all know that the chances of a 35-40 year old getting injured is greater than a younger person. Why would trade away youth for the chance that these players might stay healthy and might actually contribute when neither of these are a sure thing? Seems like a big gamble to me. It has not been a secret that the Cubs want a lot for Garza and Dempster. Every trade rumor article has said that the Cubs are demanding a lot for them. Theo is not just going to cut the Orioles a break and give them to us so we can beat the Yankees, lol. So why you all continue to say things like "as long as we don't have to give up Machado or Bundy" or "as long as they don't want too much" is just mind boggling to me. They do want too much, so if you wish to continue to talk about these unrealistic trade deals, at least give the Cubs some credit and realize that they will milk some $ucker for every top prospect that they can get.
"I want nothing to do with Soriano and Dempster.I would love to add Garza if the price was reasonable... something like: Tillman, Hunter, Esposito"
I agree with both statements. However, everyone in baseball (that matters) values Garza the most out of the three. The Yankees are rumored to be interested in only Garza because Garza is a known commodity in the AL East, we know he can survive and even thrive here and not get knocked around. The price on Garza is sure to be higher than Tillman, Hunter, and Esposito IMO. I'm guessing Machado, Matusz, Esposito, and Schoop might get it done, if that. I think it's too high for one player. Depends on how much of the Yankee farm they are willing to give the Cubs. If the Yankees offer Banuelos or Betances, Sanchez, and Campos, then they would get him over us IMO. For us to beat that we would have to give up Bundy instead of Machado but then we could probably drop Matusz off the list IMO. I'm just taking a guess here, but with the bounty that the Cubs are expecting to get from someone for Garza, I don't think I'm too far off. But yes, if they would take Tillman, Hunter, and Esposito, for a couple of years of Garza, I would do that.
Another thing that helps to show how much the Cubs value Garza comes from an article yesterday about the Tigers interest in Garza. It stated “Tigers top prospect Jacob Turner will more than likely be part of any deal for Garza and it’s very possible that Epstein could also ask for Nick Castellanos and/or Rick Porcello.” Turner and Costellanos are Detroit’s #1 and #2 prospects, they were first round picks from 2009 and 2010. It also said that “Detroit though is among six teams including the Cardinals, Red Sox, Jays, Braves and Royals who have initiated talks with Cubs GM Theo Epstein.” So, while the Yankees have made it known that they prefer Garza over Dempster, they have not initiated talks with Epstein either.