because theo wants to burn the yankees? lol i do get that the cubs could and probably will get more if they trade each player individually..but what IF this trade actually happens? it could possibly end up being a win win for both clubs..with the possible longer term advantage going to the cubs due to the youth they would be receiving. either way the cubs are going to get younger..i was just playing the IF the trade went down..what would your reaction to it be

Three months of Dempster, an aging Soriano that's seen his better days and Garza through 2013 would not be worth overpaying for which is exactly what the Cubs will be looking for. I hate the thought of being saddled with Soriano's declining numbers for the next two and a half years.

Wow. Somehow I missed that Soriano was under contract past 2012. For some reason I was thinking he was done. I even looked at his contract on Cots. I must be tired.

No worries, seems like your not the only one that missed that the people are advocating for this deal. I see Soriano as a big negative in any deal.

Right. He'd be a worthwhile piece at around $8MM per year, but not at that salary.

Soriano is making 18 million annually so that leaves over 40 mil on his contact as of now. Its a no brainer that the Cubs would have to eat a bunch of that remaining contract. The million dollar question is how much. For his salary to be reduced to 8 mil per year (as you suggest) they would have to eat ten mil per year. My concern is, can he produce enough to be worth 8 mil. As you know we're not a big market team and if he turned into another Jay Gibbons (in the sense that we had to dfa him) that would hurt badly. I'm also not a fan of the no trade clause he'll come with, something the Cubs already have to deal with now. I just want to know that as he ages and his numbers continue to drop we can dfa him without hurting the financial future of the team. To be honest I don't think 8 mil would work. I'm thinking more like 2 to 3 mil per year at best if it happened. After saying all that I'm still not a fan of any trade involving Soriano.

I want nothing to do with Soriano and Dempster.

I would love to add Garza if the price was reasonable... something like: Tillman, Hunter, Esposito

I would not do the deal. Soriano is a pain in the butt and the Cubs cannot wait to unload him. Nick comes back and who would you bench to make room for a guy that will not help our clubhouse at all? Dempster at age 36 and on the DL. No thanks. So, the deal is all about Garza. I'm not desperate enough to take that chance and give up young arms. I have not yet written off any of our starters down to Norfolk and we have Bundy in the wings who will pitch in the bigs sooner than later. We may trade for another starter at some point but not the Cubs deal currently.

Besides, this season is about winning and changing the mindset in Baltimore. It is happening and we have all winter to deal for another starter if needed. I am more concerned about the corners of our infield at this stage. Let the starters work out their problems.

Still against this deal for the same reasons stated numerous times in the last thread about this deal.

Garza is the most valuable of the three, but the Cubs will want more than most teams would be willing to give up just for him, with Duquette running this team, a deal with the Orioles is extremely unlikely IMO.

Dempster is having a career year at the age of 35, his peripherals indicate that he should have a higher ERA, he is the ultimate buy-high candidate right now even if he is still on the DL.

Soriano is closer to being 40 than he is 30. If the season finished right now, his OBP would be the highest it's been since 2008, but it's still about 20 points below Mark Reynolds' OBP. I think that this team has been doing pretty good with their youth movement so far, let Soriano get traded to the MFY or Red Sox where he can be with people his own age group. lol. They would not want him either though.

Two of the players are in their mid to late 30's, one of those is on the DL right now and Soriano had some time on the DL last year. I know that we have relatively young players that get injured (Reimold) but we all know that the chances of a 35-40 year old getting injured is greater than a younger person. Why would trade away youth for the chance that these players might stay healthy and might actually contribute when neither of these are a sure thing? Seems like a big gamble to me. It has not been a secret that the Cubs want a lot for Garza and Dempster. Every trade rumor article has said that the Cubs are demanding a lot for them. Theo is not just going to cut the Orioles a break and give them to us so we can beat the Yankees, lol. So why you all continue to say things like "as long as we don't have to give up Machado or Bundy" or "as long as they don't want too much" is just mind boggling to me. They do want too much, so if you wish to continue to talk about these unrealistic trade deals, at least give the Cubs some credit and realize that they will milk some $ucker for every top prospect that they can get.

to get to this deal i would be comftorable making little deals in which we recieve cash before having to pay all of these guys and where does soriano fit? i rather pick up victorino and hit him second then move hardy to 6th or even better 3rd until markakis comes back. i think picking up joe saunders would be a very good pick up especially since he is from northern virginia (got a signed ball from his all star game at yankees stadium) so id really like to see him. if we do pick up garza then we could trade him in the off season for a good package and but not soriano. dempster is gonna be a free agent. hopefully bring bundy next years all star break.

"I want nothing to do with Soriano and Dempster.
I would love to add Garza if the price was reasonable... something like: Tillman, Hunter, Esposito"

I agree with both statements. However, everyone in baseball (that matters) values Garza the most out of the three. The Yankees are rumored to be interested in only Garza because Garza is a known commodity in the AL East, we know he can survive and even thrive here and not get knocked around. The price on Garza is sure to be higher than Tillman, Hunter, and Esposito IMO. I'm guessing Machado, Matusz, Esposito, and Schoop might get it done, if that. I think it's too high for one player. Depends on how much of the Yankee farm they are willing to give the Cubs. If the Yankees offer Banuelos or Betances, Sanchez, and Campos, then they would get him over us IMO. For us to beat that we would have to give up Bundy instead of Machado but then we could probably drop Matusz off the list IMO. I'm just taking a guess here, but with the bounty that the Cubs are expecting to get from someone for Garza, I don't think I'm too far off. But yes, if they would take Tillman, Hunter, and Esposito, for a couple of years of Garza, I would do that.

Another thing that helps to show how much the Cubs value Garza comes from an article yesterday about the Tigers interest in Garza. It stated “Tigers top prospect Jacob Turner will more than likely be part of any deal for Garza and it’s very possible that Epstein could also ask for Nick Castellanos and/or Rick Porcello.” Turner and Costellanos are Detroit’s #1 and #2 prospects, they were first round picks from 2009 and 2010. It also said that “Detroit though is among six teams including the Cardinals, Red Sox, Jays, Braves and Royals who have initiated talks with Cubs GM Theo Epstein.” So, while the Yankees have made it known that they prefer Garza over Dempster, they have not initiated talks with Epstein either.

am getting tired of the lets trade manny machado talks. He is the future of the orioles. Am also getting tired of those lets get alfonso soriano talks. Lets just contend like I said if we try to beat the yankees with the scouting we will lose.

I didn't think that the DBacks have even considered making Saunders available.

As long as people think that we can get gold for peanuts, they will continue to talk about it.

yea dbacks are trying to trade saunders and bring up trevor bauer

before i went on vacation i had heard something about orioles had big interest in jake peavey, any more talk about that or was that a false rumor?

probrably not false but get hopes to high