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  • 7/10/12
  • MyMariners
Until now I have tried to be good and not blow a gasket but enough already with how we aren't supposed to do jack just because we are young. Even Wedge has had it with the excuses. You can't tell me that half way through the season it is ok with you that Smoak is barely hitting and plays almost every dang game. I'm tired of the age excuse. If you want to be complacent with the team and not expect anything out of them then ok for you. What I expect is that we get players (young or old, bringing up from minors whatever) that will succeed in adjusting/development. ALL players will have to make adjustments EVEN vets, adjustments are part of the game. Pitchers will change the way they are pitching to a guy and he adjust BUT if you haven't done it by now then get players who are serious competitors and not have a "well this is just a learning experience and we want to see what the youngsters can do" and chuck the year off as a loss" I don't expect them to win a championship but I do expect them to put up a fight, sitting in last place and the worse in The AL may be "what it is" but I have more faith in the game. And hope Wedge will do what he says he will do and sit players out that aren't getting it done. But somehow that doesn't apply to Ryan, Smoak.
And so what if we vent- let it be. Is it hurting you? Why are you the venting police? You complain that we all are venting and we will do it again and again but we are passionate about this game and some of us care about this team. Besides I am young and learing to adjust to this board, cut me some slack.
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  • 7/10/12
  • dalepolley

I don't have much time. Two main points.

1.) With regards to the blowouts and our road offense, all I'm saying is that we must consider that the thirty-nine games over which the Mariners averaged 4 RPG might be more representative of the true level of the offense than the seven games where the team scored 64 runs.

They play 81 games, leaving the Mariners about thirty-five more games. There's still almost a half of baseball to be played.

2.) My hypothesis as to why the Mariners struggle so much at home is that we have too many inexperienced hitters.

• The strike zones aren't the same in the minors as they are in the majors.
• The level of pitching isn't nearly as good, or consistent.
• Some played recently in the High Desert League, where the ball really carries.

There's already a lot that these guys are trying to adjust to. I could see how veteran hitters might respond better to the elements of Safeco Field than inexperienced ones.

I could see how if you're a young player, and you're convinced you absolutely crushed a couple baseballs to left-center, and they end-up in fielders' gloves, you might start to doubt yourself. That doubt could lead to experimenting with your swing, or trying to swing too hard, do too much.

An older player who has taken his lumps might understand that sometimes, you knock the sh*t out of a ball, and for whatever reason, it just doesn't carry. He has enough experience to know to stay patient and keep practicing good habits, knowing eventually, those good habits will be rewarded.

I think Safeco Field can hurt players physically and psychologically. The way the ball travels in Safeco turns some HR's and 2B's into outs, or some HR's into 2B's. A weak, young, inexperienced lineup exacerbates the problem.

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  • 7/10/12
  • NotABaseballGuy

"I am also more inclined to call the "youth movement" what it is "cheap labor.""

Ugh... I am so done with these conversations...

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  • 7/10/12
  • NotABaseballGuy

"You can't tell me that half way through the season it is ok with you..."

I've already said countless times I'm not at all satisfied with how these kids are performing. The difference is I accept it as a part of the natural development process and move on. Until I have reason to think otherwise, kids are kids, they're going to struggle, they're going to look bad, and you just have to be patient with them. Guys like Smoak are wearing thin on my patience as they are the team's. Then again, after last season, I'd completely written off Saunders and he has come back to surprise me.

"And so what if we vent- let it be. Is it hurting you?"

It bugs the s*** out of me. So you need to vent? Guess what I'm going to do to ease my own sanity.

And quite frankly, with the mountain of frustration and idiocy that I'm having to fight against, my sanity is already slipping to the brink. I think I'm going to take a break from here for a while after today. You guys are f***ing killing me.

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  • 7/10/12
  • safecoike
Glad you see the beauty in this t.urd. You should enjoy it for years to come. By all means, chow down.

Edited 7/11/12   by  safecoike
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