Big Z had a problem with more than just the coaching. Don't know if you caught the outbreaks with his fellow players(D Lee for example). He was a headcase and had to undergo anger management just to stay on the roster. He is a little more extreme than Frankie in my estimation. My point was that anybody can be packaged and dealt if it is done correctly. Ryan is being paid to do just that and I would hope he is in fact working towards that goal. Like you stated, "whatever we can get is a plus".

We certainly don't trade Liriano now. He could end the season with the most wins on the staff. And I'm not sure he'll be wanting extreme money to resign. If so, the off season is the time to deal with it, not now.

My guess is the coaching staff and front office have already decided what they want to do. IF they've had enough of his inconsistency... then he will be gone, and this is the best time to do it, as he is showing... once again... that he CAN be a dominant pitcher. If they want to stick with him, and if they have a decent feeling that they can resign him... then they wait for the off-season. Of course, if something happens to him in the second half, injury or another round of ineptness... then ?????????????????

Imo, now would be best... with the starting pitching the way it is, we're not in any position to threaten for the division. We need some young talent. I think he'll be gone this month, and with his stock up again right now, we could get some real help for the future.

Yeah just looked it up. I see Morneau been called up in 2003 and after this year will be his 10th full year completed but also did time in the minors in 2004 for 72 some games. But does that affect his 10-5 right ? Because after this year if he wants to be traded, he has the right to reject any proposed trade. If that so the case, Morneau will be better off moving this year.

The ten and five rights isn't with seasons played, it has to be ten years of major league SERVICE time. In Morneau's case, with the time he spent going up and down to AAA his first couple seasons, he only has 7.186 years (According to baseball reference going into this season so now its a little higher) of service time. So Morneau has a couple more seasons before he will have his 10 and five rights.

Thanks I kept wondering about that. Good to know that few of us here can rely on you too about the technicality side of the game.

but does he have a no-trade clause?

Morneau don't have a no-trade clause.

From MLBTR:

"Carl Pavano could have been a potential trade chip for the Twins but the hurler won't be back in action before the trade deadline, tweets Phil Mackey of 1500 ESPN. Mackey notes that the Twins acquired Pavano prior to the waiver deadline in 2009 and speculates that they could go that route this year if they choose to move him."

Also the Braves are looking for a shortstop to fill the void till their young guns come back from shortstop. They are looking for a 'veteran-stopgap' type player to hold the fort for a month or so, then slip into a utility player. Not someone who is necessarily an offensive player, but solid on defense.

That sounds an awful lot like Jamey Carroll to me...

Hey guys Reds fan in peace

A poster on our board mentioned that the Reds were scouting span and Revere have you heard anything?

Just saw this:

@PMac21 CIN was in MN last night. RT @Buster_ESPN: CIN looking for lead-off guy: Production at top of lineup is 29th in OPS.

I don't know much about Reds prospects but I could imagine the Reds would be interested in Span AND Liriano to shore up your rotation.

If you have a playoff rotation of Cueto-Latos-Liriano I think you would have a decent shot at the whole thing, especially with Span upgrading your lead off spot ahead of Votto and those boppers.

IF the Twins trade Span and Liriano it would be for a top prospect. Span has a team friendly contract that runs through 2015, and Liriano has been pitching pretty good over the last 2 months (ERA under 3.00). Want Capps too?

I really dont think Jocketty would give up our top prospects that it would take to get Liriano,but with Span I'm thinking a ptching prospect and Bobby Hamilton who is blocked on the ml roster and another minor league guy
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Dont need a catcher thanx

Do you mean Billy Hamilton? That cat has got some base stealing ability doesn't he? I am not sure where Hamilton would fit in the Twins plan since he now just moved up to AA. If he was a little higher up the ladder he makes sense since there isn't much in the Twins upper minors in terms of MI, but the bottom is showing a little life in that department.

What pitching prospect are you talking about? Like we talking Corcino or Cingrani? Not trying to over value Span, but that might be where it has to start in order to pick up Span with his contract.

The Braves just got Paul? Janish from the Reds

Yeah I just saw that, it looks like they were going with someone that is expendable once Simmons gets back. Carroll wouldn't fit that bill, Janish would.

Also, add another team to the list of interested in Capps and Frankie.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/07/angels-have-interest-in-matt-capps-francisco-liriano.html

Good, still have a chance to move him but does that mean we still will be responsible for his salary if we get rid of him like that ? Pavano making 8.5 this year and is a free agent next year but also has a limited no trade clause.

Also from mlb trade rumor ..

""The Blue Jays, Yankees, and Braves have all scouted Twins pitcher Francisco Liriano, who Cafardo suggests should be traded before he falters again.
Twins GM Terry Ryan will have to be blown away to part with outfielder Josh Willingham."""

Liriano looks like will be gone soon. Keeping Willingham only makes sense if we are to be signing couple of good starting pitchers in the off season. But if they are not going to, then there is no point of keeping Willingham when he is 33 years. I read some where that the Pirates asked for him lately. I still stand by what I said before. We are dead last in the division, clean house and go wit the youth movement going forward.

It all depends on how much the Halos would be willing to pay. I am assuming since Capps is only due a couple million down the stretch they will take most of his salary and then his 250k buyout for next season, or a 6 million dollar option depending on what they want.

I was talking about Pavano.