<<<Most of the Ranger fans who come here have neither. When you combine that with a homer board, it's not pretty.>>>

I think you find that on most boards. It seems that most fans who go to another team's board, do so out of spite for someone trolling theirs and making idiotic comments. Some, we have ours and you have yours, go to another's board just to stir the pot. I realize that.

This is the first time I've ever been on the Angels board, and I'll have to admit that I was surprised that most of you guys are no different than we are in Texas. We're fans of our respective teams and we love baseball. Enough said. I had a very bad opinion of Angel's fans from the ones who have come trolling, and I imagine it is the same for you. Halojake and a couple of others do not do justice to what I'm seeing as the majority of your fanbase.

We'll, of course, root for our respective teams. There's nothing wrong with that. That's sports and competition. Good luck (except when you play us).

;-)

You are truly an idiot.

When marlins return for their next homestand we will see fans holding posters of Guillen hugging Castro or even worse. Guillen's stupid remarks will NOT go away but will always be the first thing fans think of when they see him...not just Cubans but fans in general.

Guillen is an embarrassment and will be removed. Shows how thoughtless this guy can be...dumber than dumb. Guillen is toast.

I'm not surprised Guillen said something stupid. Just surprised he said something THAT stupid considering who pays his check. Yeah, this isn't going to end well for him.

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I think you find that on most boards.
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I think you'll find it on all board. If you talk smack on another teams board, you're going to get hammered. If you talk imbecilic smack, you're going to get really hammered.

So far that's been most Ranger fans.

I truly Welcome intelligent, respectful life from the Ranger board. There are not many of those posters here.

No, but the Castro supporter insists that the Cuban people love him.

<<< There is no right or wrong answer it is purely objectionable.>>>

You could not be more wrong. There is definately a right and a wrong. You're the only thing objectionable.

<<<People of Cuba love Castro...>>>

I guess they love him so much they risk their lives over and over and over trying to escape from the island.

<<<...he has given them what the rich did not...>>>

Yeah, like a marked increase in poverty and oppression.

<<< ...the rich.of Cuba fled to the United.States...>>>

I guess all those refugees from Cuba, living in near poverty in Little Havana in Miami, have their riches stowed away and invested in mutual funds.

<<<...blinded by your supposed patriotic duty of upholding American values.>>>

That's right bozo. I will uphold American values because they have created the most free society in history.

You continue to amaze me. Every time you open your mouth (or get on your keyboard), you prove yourself to be a fool, and yet you cannot resist the opportunity to be that fool.

>>Yeah, like a marked increase in poverty and oppression.<<

This isn't correct. There has been a marked decrease in poverty in Cuba since Castro took over, although oppression has increased (not that Cuba was particularly free prior).

Cuba's definitely poor and their development has been much less than it would be had the Castro regime instituted market reforms after the fall of the Soviets (or had the non-communist elements of the revolution had more influence), but I'm not sure you realize just how dire the poverty level was prior to Castro.

The vast majority of rural residents lived in palm frond huts and there was almost no electricity or running water outside the cities. Malnourishment, illiteracy and starvation were rampant. Cuba had a relatively high GDP, but nearly all of it went to people at the very top of society or to American sugar or fruit firms.

>>I will uphold American values because they have created the most free society in history.<<

I think you'd be surprised at just how many countries are at least as free, if not more so, than in the US.

How's the economy of Jamaica and Haiti and the Dominican Republic?

<<<...but I'm not sure you realize just how dire the poverty level was prior to Castro.>>>

I most certainly do realize the poverty level of cuba, both pre and post Castro. Cuba, under Castro has gotten progressively worse.

<<<I think you'd be surprised at just how many countries are at least as free, if not more so, than in the US>>>

If your talking about free of moral constraints, that is not freedom. I don't want the US to be free of morals. It was not founded on that nor has it risen to greatness without morals. I'm talking about the freedom to accomplish whatever is in your ability to accomplish. Not being given what you want, but having the opportunity and the freedom to become what you want. I'll stand by that against any country. There are NO other countries that enjoy that ability to the extent that we do.

--"There are NO other countries that enjoy that ability to the extent that we do."

You know this how? Have you tried starting businesses in Hong Kong, Singapore, Australia, New Zealand, or Switzerland? The conservative Heritage Foundation ranks them at the top of its list for economic freedom (the US is 10th): http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

What's your source regarding Camilo Cienfuegos not being communist? What I read completely contradicts what you say about him.

I will absolutely give you that. For years the US was at the top of that list, but because of excessive taxation and regulations, things which the pro-left supporters endorse, it has become much harder to start and sustain a business in the US.

>> Cuba, under Castro has gotten progressively worse.<<

Again, not really. Not as good as a country like Costa Rica certainly and Cuba would have been much better off had they gone that route, but still better than it was. Of course, it's largely come at the cost of the upper and middle classes.

>> It was not founded on that nor has it risen to greatness without morals.<<

So, the US is the freest country in the world, as long as you don't count all the ways that other countries are freer. Got it.

>>I'll stand by that against any country. There are NO other countries that enjoy that ability to the extent that we do.<<

Unfortunately, you'll lose that bet. There are several other countries that enjoy that freedom both to the extent and some that surpass it. Canada and several northern European countries all enjoy greater social mobility than the United States does.

You need to stop uncritically inhaling the propaganda being fed to you.

Economic freedom being the source of nearly all freedom, the US ranks 10th world-wide.
www.heritage.org/index/ranking

You can also see how we rank based on which freedoms you feel are most important. With my choices, the US is 8th.
www.freeexistence.org/freedom.shtml

<<<So, the US is the freest country in the world, as long as you don't count all the ways that other countries are freer. Got it.>>>

If you want to be free of morals fine. I don't want to live in your neighborhood. The US was founded on principles, and I will fight you and all the others on the left that want to turn this country into a European model. You seem to think that model is exemplary. If you want that type of country fine, more power to you, but that is not the US, never has been and hopefully, never will be.

<<<You need to stop uncritically inhaling the propaganda being fed to you.>>>

Again, when the left has no sane argument, you always resort to the "unthinking" drone argument. If we on the traditional, conservative side of the fence are incapable of drawing our own conclusions, then why are there so many differences in thought. If we were being fed the "propoganda" that you so quickly throw out, we would all believe exactly the same things and say exactly the same things. Somewhat like those on the progressive, liberal side do.

If you want the "social mobility" of the European states they are available to you. The US does not need to become that. We need a return to OUR traditional values. I know that's a hard concept for people whose only values are to do and say anything with no moral compass.

Don't forget about crony capitalism. Both the left and the right are sustaining that. Everything is set up in favor of the big corporations, at the expense of the small businesses, the consumers, and the taxpayers. Not that it's unusual around the world, though.

With everything on that list except "Drug Rights" being Very Important to Crucial, the US is second only to Hong Kong.

That's the problem with liberty today... everyone thinks it's only important for themselves.