What I think is both funny and disturbing is that if a poster says ANYTHING positive about the GM, the manager, or any of the players, and does not also say a bunch of very negative things, that poster is deemed to be wearing "rose-colored glasses". In other words, if you are not ready to fire Cashman and Girardi et al, and trade 90% of the team, NOW if not sooner, then you are a "cheerleader".
I've been on this board for almost 10 years now, and while I've seen a lot of fans who are cheerleaders by the above "definition", I've seen very few, if any, who think the Yanks can do no wrong, or who are unwilling to acknowledge defects (often serious ones) in the team---those few would be the true "cheerleaders" in my book.
I think most Yankee fans, like the fans of any other team, understand that no team including theirs is perfect, no manager is perfect, etc., and they are going to complain when things get out of hand or the team is not doing well. Just because they still root for the team and are not ready to fire and trade everyone, at all times, doesn't mean they don't understand or aren't aware of the shortcomings.
This board is ridiculous. Every time there's a three game losing streak some posters crawl out of the woodwork to scream about doom and gloom. Anyone who dares to say "its only three games" is labeled as a pompom waving, cheerleading, rose colored glasses wearing fool. When the team wins a game these posters don't just simmer down, they disappear. If the team wins a WS they never admit they're wrong, they just come back the next year and repeat the same cycle.
BTW, you brag about "saying they couldn't compete the past two years"... Do you really expect people to believe you thought they would win in 2009? Please.
"He trades away many of the young position players and pitchers before they even have a chance to prove their worth at the Major League level."
Cano, Gardner, Hughes, Nova and Robertson would all like to say hello.
Traded for Granderson...
Since being traded he's put up the following ERAs in the NL CENTRAL (incredibly weak division...): 4.03, 5.42, 4.92, 3.38. Would you be willing to wait out three years of ~5 ERA pitching to get to the 3.38 ERA (you'd probably be waiting through 3 years of 5.5 ERA to get 3.9 in the AL East actually). The fact that you even bothered to include him is pretty laughable.
"Clippard and Jose Tabata"
I agree with these two. Clippard is a very solid reliever and Tabata has been decent (although not nearly as good as you make him out to be). If people want to run Gardner out of town, I don't see why their feelings about Tabata would be much different.
"who was traded for an overweight pitcher with a bum shoulder"
People really need to save all these ridiculous posts you're making about Pineda. You act like he was something short of a top rated pitching prospect with a good first year of major league experience.
"i.e, lies to the wives and girlfriends-- basically whatever needs to be done for the players."
Awesome. Baseless accusations about the integrity of a man are always fun. Really makes you look good too........
"kevin Longs major appeal is that he's a real cut-up, fun to hang out with, and beards sk.anks for the players on the road,i.e, lies to the wives and girlfriends-- basically whatever needs to be done for the players. He'd polish their cars and make pre-game Burger King runs too, if it werent for the clubhouse boys..In short, he's a real boo/ty smoocher"
Yes!!! Best post of the day.
I'm sure I'll take a lot of "hits" for this, but I've never been a Kevin Long fan. How many hitters does he really make better than they have been before? Granderson? Maybe. Cano? Possible, but I think he's a pure hitter, but if push comes to shove, I'll say, "okay". Jete's got better when he got out from under his tutelage. Teix? Please. A-Rod? Don't think so. Swish? About the same before vs after he came to NYY. Russell Martin? Better power but worse average than for his career. Gardner? Everybody thrilled with his development?
I said this about our Dave Eiland, too. And I think we've done better without him.
Get rid of Kevin Long, and Girardi's managing will get better....you'll see. It's not a silver bullet, but it's a start.
Traded for Granderson...
I know who we got. I love Granderson, but it's becoming apparent this trade wasn't a steal for the Yankees, as both Kennedy and Jackson are both much younger and have already proven themselves to be top flight pros.
You're totally right about Karstens. For some reason I remember him having a "good stretch" and his named popped into my head. Oh, well.
I like Gardner, but he's pushing thirty. Tabata's only 23 and is already a better hitter. Besides, for some reason Girardi's not even starting Gardner everyday.
Pineda needs to prove himself. He pitched in a pitcher friendly ball park and his away numbers were not great, 4.40 era. He did come into camp apparently taking his situation for granted. Not a good sign.
The posts aren't "ridiculous" if the player in question was traded for a #6 prospect, and the best hitting prospect the Yanks have had in years. Meanwhile, Montero is plugged into the number four hole, either as catcher or DH, and Pineda is plugged into AAA. Expectations are not being met.
"I know who we got. I love Granderson, but it's becoming apparent this trade wasn't a steal for the Yankees, as both Kennedy and Jackson are both much younger and have already proven themselves to be top flight pros."
Jackson hasn't proved that yet and Kennedy is a major regression candidate based on his batted ball profile.