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Your story exemplifies how brainwashed these people are. They are afraid to explore because their outlook might be changed. These threads have compelled me to research more than I have ever done. I have not actually read the entire Bible until recently. I can see how it is so easy to read one part and then forget the details later while reading another part. The annotated bible is a great reference as you say. It enables you to quickly cross check things. I am astounded at what I have been learning these past few weeks that has been generated through these threads. None of these things are ever mentioned by the religious teachers. I guess it behooves them to keep their people out of the loop.

Last reply on this subject.

To the believer, there is no such thing as blind faith.....................our faith in God is no more blind than your faith that the sun will rise. In the believers life, God is constantly showing us who He is and what He can do in our life. I understand that you do not believe, I also understand that you have no interest in believing and that what we believe is proof of our God, you dont.

Im fine with your choice and to be frank, I have no desire to change your mind, we both know that there is nothing I could do to change your mind so why should I bother?

I will support Robert in his prayers for you, he certainly does pray for your salvation even though you have asked him not to. I will be honest and tell you that I probably wont, at least not now..........who knows, maybe some day. I dont dislike you kenny, but I am more than confident that you are a pawn for satan even though you have no allegiances to him, that much is clear to me.

As always, I will answer any questions you may have........................subject does not matter, but I have decided to no longer "argue" with you in these types of threads. So although when one becomes a believer, the basis of first belief is faith, make no mistake of it, that faith is never blind..........just unseen by those that choose not to believe.

Have a good one.

"I dont dislike you kenny, but I am more than confident that you are a pawn for satan even though you have no allegiances to him, that much is clear to me."

:O

Ditto

"If you are going to claim the former copied the latter, which is not possible"
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Where did I make that claim? I thought I made it clear that Buddha was no Jesus. If not, my bad.
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Why does that seem strange? Jesus had to go through everything that we go through.
"For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin." Hebrews 4:15
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As cedi and dave said, this is my last response in this thread too. No need to respond to this.

For myself it's good and yet I hate when someone tries to push it on you .

Yeah, it's a fascinating read, explaining things in ways you'll almost never hear in, say, a church setting. I read it for a lit class (the Bible as Literature), and the cross-references to other writings and societies were so revealing, and they opened up my world view tremendously. Why they keep in under veil is a mystery, one only they could answer, but your suggestion is just as likely as any other.

Kenny

"Last reply on this subject."

Promise? :D (JK)

"I understand that you do not believe, I also understand that you have no interest in believing and that what we believe is proof of our God, you dont."

On this point, I think we understand each other well.

"Im fine with your choice and to be frank, I have no desire to change your mind, we both know that there is nothing I could do to change your mind so why should I bother?"

Because it's who we are.

"I dont dislike you kenny, but I am more than confident that you are a pawn for satan even though you have no allegiances to him, that much is clear to me."

I not only have no allegiances, but ... ah, you know the rest.

"Have a good one."

You, too. Peace.

Kenny

Ditto.

"Where did I make that claim? I thought I made it clear that Buddha was no Jesus."

It's in the language. You called him a "pretender," which he never was, and never claimed to be. He came before Jesus (meaning he couldn't copy Jesus), and he claimed to be only a man and a teacher. He never claimed to be more. Jesus and/or his followers claimed Jesus was something more than a man and a teacher. So Buddha wasn't a pretender. Like I said, it was just the wording you used that got us off-kilter.

"If not, my bad."

No problem at all. At least we understand each other now.

"Why does that seem strange?"

God is all-knowing and doesn't "need" to "go through everything that we go through," because god is supposedly all-present, all-knowing and all-powerful. A god could make himself into a man just by saying so (After all, he's the "Let there be light"-and-there-was-light guy), so the concept of a God reducing himself to an embryo and going through the stages of fetus, infant, adolescence, etc. to finally begin teaching at age 30 makes absolutely no sense at all.

"As cedi and dave said, this is my last response in this thread too. No need to respond to this."

Oh, NOW you tell me. :)

Kenny

I dont dislike you kenny, but I am more than confident that you are a pawn for satan
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....I dont wanna live on this planet anymore.

You're getting Mars, remember?

Kenny

His wife, also.

Ah yes. I shall rule it with an iron fist.

So I take it the people before Moses and Jesus and Abraham were all sent to he..ll (or whatever) for not believing in God. That's some sh..it

Yeah, but they've been converted to Mormonism postmortem, so at least there's that.

Kenny

“I wish there was a God, I wish there was, it’d be great. Whatever it is, he’s brilliant, you know? But, I just- you can’t, you can’t believe in something you don’t. Also, if there is a God, why did he make me an atheist? That was his first mistake, well the talking snake was his first mistake.” (Ricky Gervais)

Kenny

I love Ricky Gervais. His view on Noahs ark is pretty funny.

"'Thou are so wicked, I will have to wipe them off the face of the earth.' Really? Really? Straight to genocide?! What happened to one verbal and two written warnings? Straight to the annihilation of the entire human race? Because fatty yellow trousers picked someone's nose! Anger management, now just calm the f down!"

"'They are so wicked, I will have to wipe them off the face of the earth, and every living thing with them.' What's the squid ever done?!" :D

Kenny