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  • 4/24/12
  • cvmagic
remember that our Cubs are rebuilding. Can't wait til that new TV contract kicks in! Should be worth $150M/year which will cover MLB roster payroll annually, like Boston.
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  • 4/24/12
  • AllanOfKaunas
No,but feel free to enlighten me.
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  • 4/24/12
  • windangit
Well,OPS correlates very well with runs scored, so it is a very useful tool to evaluate players.
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  • 4/24/12
  • HChinaski
lol, you have to explain that OPS comment. It's a combination of productive hitting and how often he's on base. Neither of those things are even close to "meaningless".
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  • 4/24/12
  • AllanOfKaunas
I asked him to explain to me why OPS is so significant.I am still waiting.I get BA,OBP,ERA and WHIP,but OPS means....what?
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  • 4/24/12
  • windangit
I did explain it to you, what more do you need?
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  • 4/24/12
  • hardslide

No you didnt. You just made a statement.

You might want to show the realtionship between OPS and runs scored, and why they are a valid measurement to consider.

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  • 4/24/12
  • jabloomf1230
Actually, the relationship is between team RS and team OPS.
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  • 4/24/12
  • AllanOfKaunas
You did NOT.You simply said that it relates to runs scored.Exactly what does it mean? O ? P? S?
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  • 4/24/12
  • hardslide
Regardless, what I think posters are interested in knowing is WHY this is such a valuable tool?
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  • 4/24/12
  • windangit
What more would you need than a strong correlation between the 2? That seems to be enough to me for it to be a valid statistic to use
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  • 4/24/12
  • AllanOfKaunas
I ask you a serious question and you just repeat yourself.Maybe somebody else would like to give it a shot.
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  • 4/24/12
  • windangit
No, I said it correlates, which is different. That means that when you have one, you will likely find the other as well. If a team has a high OPS, they will likely be good at scoring runs as well. OPS stands for OBP + slugging
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  • 4/24/12
  • popeluvsme
If only we could get on base and slug in the same inning!! lol
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  • 4/24/12
  • windangit
That certainly wouldn't hurt.
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  • 4/24/12
  • AllanOfKaunas
Well,of course if you have a lot of guys on base and a bunch of extra base hits....you will score a lot.But now I get the concept of that statistic,which I did not before.OBP plus slugging.IMHO you can be a very good hitter and not be a slugger.That is what Barney is.A singles hitter will not have a high OPS will he?He still is valuable if his BA is high with RISP.Not sure what Barney's is,but even without that singles hitters have their place especially middle infielders.
I can't remember a middle infielder on the Cubs since Ernie Banks and Sandberg with a high OPS.I can't think of another one.
Edited 4/24/12   by  AllanOfKaunas
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  • 4/24/12
  • chad1983
Not to mention his off the field problem... I am guessing having a possible rap<e charge against him isn't exactly helping his mentality on the field. And yes, I think he is innocent.
Edited 4/24/12   by  chad1983
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  • 4/24/12
  • windangit
IMO, a player has to either get on base well, slug well, our do both adequately. Barney doesn't fit that for me. Also, relying on risp stats doesn't work well as those stats tend to vary from year to year.
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  • 4/24/12
  • windangit
Police have said that no charges will be brought against him.
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