"Now we are hoping he can secure the #5 slot in the rotation. "

probably not an Ace but I have no doubt (well some doubt) that Hughes can be a very good middle of the rotation pitcher.

> Hughes can be a very good middle of the rotation pitcher

which is STILL a PLUMMET from predictions of him being our ACE for a decade or more

2) Giving Hughes a fair shot to win the job. If he's given this shot, I think he will win the job and prove a lot of people wrong.

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How many more fair shots does he need?

Crazy how things change huh

2010, he started coming apart when they skipped a start near to the ASG. From July 20 (first start after the skipped start) until the end of August, he was 5-4 with a 5.03 ERA. That was give or take, innings number 100-150. He shouldn't have been "tired" by then, or feeling the effects of innings limits

Over the final stretch of the season as a starter, he had a 4.76 ERA over 6 games. I'd put that as below average moreso than average.

And still, for a guy that was projected to be the future ace, "average at times" is a terrible review for Hughes

"Average at times" is much less accurate than "average at worst". When healthy (which IS a big key for him) that is what he has been. Throughout his career he has put up 5th starter numbers so far. That is disappointing, but he's still 25. People are nuts to give up on a young, homegrown guy who has shown flashes. He came to camp in his best shape ever this year. One way or another, he's going to make a lot of people eat their words soon.

Is that a joke? Outtabreath has never gotten excited about a home grown player. He consistently bashed cano and Robertson up until the point that they made it impossible for anyone to bash them and appear sane.

If I recall, he was still bashing Cano in 09' when Cano hit .330/25/85 with an .871 OPS from the 6th spot in the lineup...at least the notorious "COZ" left the board relatively quickly after Cano starting tearing the cover off the ball.

Kuroda is about 38 years old. You want him in the rotation until he's 45?

---but he's still 25. People are nuts to give up on a young, homegrown guy who has shown flashes.---

It's tough to give up on him completely, but how long do you keep throwing him out there to disastrous results? How many chances do you keep giving him?

The Yankees had envisioned him as the Michael Pineda leading the rotation with CC Sabathia, and if he had done his job in that we'd still have Montero too.

So while you might not give up on him completely, he's back to competing for a spot that he's never fully earned in the rotation, and he's trying to recuperate some value. At this point it might be better as a trade option than as a long term piece of the yankees

You keep using terms like "disastrous results" but they just aren't true. Before he went on the DL, there was clearly something physically wrong. When he returned, he had 7 quality starts in 11 tries and only gave up 2 runs in an 8th start. Realistically, he gave them a really good chance to win in 8 out of 11 starts. That's FAR from "disastrous". He's been disappointing based on his hype, but he hasn't been close to the complete failure some people on here peg him as.

i guess his second half wasn't disastrous, but a 4.75 ERA is certainly nothing that excites me

You have to realize Hughes will always get the benefit of the doubt no matter what.

"It's tough to give up on him completely, but how long do you keep throwing him out there to disastrous results? How many chances do you keep giving him?"

This will be the make or break year for Hughes. It's either put up or shut up. If come the AS break and Hughes has proven effective and/or no signs of progression, then the Yankee brass will have to reconsider their options going forward.

you arent kevlar, are you? i know this is kinda random...

no, *I* didn't guzzle the Kool-Aid by the gallon like so many did (since you keep on changing screennames, I don't know whether you were one of the drinkers) -- no matter how you cut it, 7-8 years after all the gushing (since he was in the low minors) about "Phenom Phil", he has been a disappointment -- one more year of MEH and "bust" would be justified

Piratechef has always had the same username. I'm not sure what you're babbling about now.

So you don't "drink the koolaid" on Hughes. We get it. How about Robertson? Or Cano? Do you recall drinking any kind of drink in regard to those two? Would you say Robertson is our best hope to replace Mo when he retires? Would you say Cano is the best all around player on this team? Or will you avoid discussing either player since you did drink an awful lot of "hateraid" with regards to both of them.

Running around criticizing people for getting excited about a young player from the farm system is idiotic. You REALLY need to stop with that. People get excited about these guys because they're young, cheap and they allow people to imagine what they could become if they hit their ceiling. If you took a reserved approach with regards these players it would be one thing, but you completely rip every single young player who comes through the system. It doesn't take great foresight to know that the majority of the prospects in any given farm system will fail and to rip these players accordingly. Bragging about the fact that *you* didn't "drink kool-aid" isn't all that impressive.

many of the same people who were chortling about "Generation Trey", and how that was the nucleus of our starting rotation until around 2020, without missing a beat, jumped upon the "Killer B's" bandwagon (oh, one of those wheels ALREADY came off the wagon, with Brackman gone)

with claims of how the remaining B's are a near lock to be Yankee co-aces in the years to come, it's like "deja vu all over again"