I think the lefts fairness on this is to keep deductions for those groups that vote mostly dem and do away with deductions for those groups that vote mostly repub.

Under whose bill? There are handshakes going on accross the isle that are in like Graham's statement. They also see it as a natioanl necessity to find common ground if we wish to shore up our fiscal position before the EU crisis hits our shores.

It's not GOP or Dem now. The boat has too many holes and we are running out of corks to plug them.

It isn't if , it's when. And it won't be a GOP or Dem debacle it will be both if we don't resolve our differences.

the first step is to stop spending more and more each year. put a freeze for 2 or 3 years on spending. then , and only then perhaps talk about generating tax revenues. we were close once to doing this where we had boehner agreeing to basically go along with doing away with tax deductions and would generate about 800 billion more in revenue over 10 yrs. obama nixed it by coming back asking for 1.2 trillion.

Not if you have checks and balances that are regulated. Having independent watch dog groups onboard is a great overseer to wasteful spending. Further, restricting congress from adding bills that hinder oversight while adding porkbelly to their special interest groups seems proper.
It's not only government that blows our money. How about all those corporations that appropriate through House and Means? Billions annually get lost or over spent. Just ending departments or eliminating public jobs doesn't resolve the issues. Overhaul of the system to the private sector must be addressed also. We need the DOD like we need the EPA. Both mfight different wars both are vital to our nations security. Better placed better managed government is the anwser.
I agree some agencies are top heavy. So are amendments in Congress and the Senate who have pushed the problem down the road for the past 20 years.

OMG! Is that possible? I am sure that he will burn in heck for that.(for eternity yet)

In a manner of your chosen verbage burn being the operative word. Murdoch probably will go away rich and tainted. Slightly singed.

But those underpins on the USA side. Well they'll join the Barbeque alike to those being burned in Parliament.

Yes the road to heck are filled with good intention -- history just can't help repeating itself once again. Some just try to rewrite history and pay the price for not remembering past transgression never worked then nor now.

Right Lumpbaugh?

I get your drift...I think,LOL.

Want to read something interesting? Have a look at Norquist's ties to people who 'fund/have funded' ("have" because they are in prison now) Islamic Jihadists.

Want to check the Norquist no-tax pledge in Congress? Doesn't apply to the Senate or this cheap thread, but if you want to post the number of visits to the WH by members of the Moslem Brotherhood, you could do that, bunckly. You don't care.

Well, if you had stopped for two seconds to use that rotting lump between your ears, it might have occurred to you that I was not implying that he supports jihad. he merely supports money laundering for jihadists..

Of course, if I changed 'Grover Norquist" to, say, Bill Clinton or another one of your Democrat boogeymen... you'd probably have a seizure and froth at the mouth. Typical Saturday night at the TYAN house, though.

I forgot, you never imply anything, which explains why you wrote it as a passing interest item to smear by inuendo. Saturday follies in Fort Wayne again.

You forgot something which is not true tin order to forward an argument that is baseless and self-serving.

Color me, "not shocked".

You are not shocked and colored with it. Done.

<Norquist history 101
By Karen Finney - 07/25/11 06:59 PM ET

Perhaps a case of selective amnesia explains the exalted platform given to Grover Norquist both in the media and among congressional Republicans. Just a few years ago, Norquist was a central figure in the GOP culture of corruption and cronyism that helped Democrats retake control of Congress in 2006.

From his longtime friendship with Karl Rove to leadership of the K Street Project with convicted former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Texas) to the money-laundering scandal involving convicted Republican lobbyist Jack Abramoff, Norquist has long wielded unchecked power in Washington. Norquist and his Americans for Tax Reform (ATR) are key players in an influential web of GOP donors, operatives and organizations working to implement a Republican agenda and consolidate power benefiting their special-interest friends. ATR funding reportedly comes from right-wing organizations like Olin and Scaife — conservative foundations set up by millionaires and billionaires like the Koch brothers — to support a set of policy goals favorable to their corporations. ATR has also received significant funding from the tobacco, gambling and alcohol industries.

It was Norquist, working with then-Majority Whip DeLay, who launched the scheme known as the K Street Project in 1995. Run out of ATR offices, it controlled access to key government figures and rewarded GOP cronies by pressuring Washington lobbying firms to hire Republican operatives. Those who were loyal and willing to “pay to play” were granted access. As part of this cozy relationship, corporate “friends” were able to participate in the drafting of legislation affecting their industries. (Can you say Dick Cheney energy task force?) The Senate liaison to the project who met regularly with Norquist to review openings and candidates at lobbying firms was none other than former Pennsylvania Senator and current GOP presidential contender Rick Santorum.

During this time, Norquist worked with Abramoff, Ralph Reed and Abramoff’s partner Michael Scanlon in a money-laundering scandal that bilked millions of dollars from Indian tribes. Abramoff and Scanlon grossly overcharged the tribes for work on casino gambling issues, using Norquist’s ATR and the ATR Foundation as a pass-through to support their lobbying effort. Contributions were made to ATR, which then skimmed a fee off the top before passing the money on to Ralph Reed and other anti-gambling activists.

In one example, the Choctaw Indian tribe in Mississippi paid Americans for Tax Reform $1.1 million in 1999. Norquist passed the money to Reed, who ran the powerful Christian Coalition and a for-profit political consulting company. Reed used the money to run a religious-based anti-gambling campaign with the veiled purpose of preventing a rival tribe from cutting in on the Choctaw casino business.

This allowed Norquist, Reed and Abramoff to disguise the fact that the money used to fund anti-gambling activities was generated through Indian gambling. Abramoff utilized Norquist’s cachet and access, referring to him once in an email as a “hard-won asset.”

Investigations in 2006 by the Senate Indian Affairs and the Senate Finance committees (then chaired by Republican Sens. John McCain, Ariz., and Chuck Grassley, Iowa, respectively) found that Norquist not only used ATR as a cash “conduit” for Abramoff’s clients, but that ATR and four other conservative nonprofit groups “appear to have perpetrated a fraud” on American taxpayers.

Which raises the question: Just what is it that 236 GOP House and 41 GOP senators fear from an operative known to be involved in illegal activity involving taxpayer fraud and influence peddling?

"ATR has also received significant funding from the tobacco, gambling and alcohol industries. "
OH NO< MR> BILL!!!!

Karen Finney. A leading democratic strategist, MSNBC Political Analyst and columnist for The Hill, and you can add in the huffpo hit piece that would make friedaG8's proud. Nice choice, bunkmeister