It's not a whine if it's the truth. Posters like you refused to listen when other posters (not just me) stated that trading a highly touted prospect for a young pitcher was very risky. You ridiculed and insulted anyone that dared to voice an opinion (which you called a whine) that differed from a few self appointed true Yankee fans. Live with it and grow up.

http://www.pamf.org/teen/health/Sports/tornlabrum.html

Kids story on their says that he felt a twinge and played through it for a while before it became really painful.

He had a partial tear of the labrum.

It just seems a big coincidence that the guy doesn't pitch well during spring training, velocity down and then this happens.

I'm not suggesting like some that the medical people at the Yankees were negligent. The Yankees hire the best and we are talking about a serious amount of money when signing players. They are not going to take shortcuts.

I just find the "it happened after his last throwing session" and that it is not related to spring training, a little hard to believe.

Pavano was a bum who collected a pay check, if he sits around and doesnt work to come back from the injury then he is another Pavano. The anger shouldnt be directed at Pineda he never asked to be traded for Pineda, if your gonna point the finger at anyone it should be pointed at Cashman.

Oh, I don't know, he might still be a little more effective than Garcia--maybe?

No matter how its spun we can't get around the fact that Montero was traded for this guy.

That is the gut punch of it all.

I have always tried to be fair minded about Cashman but he has had one too many muck ups around young players and pitchers.

When will he be called to account by management.

Was the kid putting the type of torque on his arm that it takes to throw a 90+mph fastball and major league level breaking pitches? Also, that doesn't say he was playing with a torn labrum the entire time. It sounds like he gradually progressed to the point where he eventually tore his.

"No matter how its spun we can't get around the fact that Montero was traded for this guy. "

WE TRADED MONTERO???!!! WHAT???!! WHY HAS NO ONE POSTED THIS BEFORE???!

Seriously, how is the injury Cashmans fault?

If anything was missed on his medical (and I'm not saying it was) but IF, it would be the medical departments fault, not Cashmans. He HAS to go with what the medical people say as he isn't a doctor......

Cashman is not an idiot and cannot predict injuries. He isn't psychic. He wouldn't trade the Yankees biggest prospect for an injured pitcher.

So, how is this his fault? Did he smash Pinedas shoulder up himself?

I never ridiculed anyone for just voicing an opinion. It's the whiny ones like you that feel you need to voice the same opinion day after day while throwing it in the faces of the other people that are fans of the same team you're supposedly a fan of. I'm fine that you're not okay with the trade. But to sit here and spam the forums crying about it daily and trying to rub it in the faces of the people that weren't against the trade, what sort of backlash were you expecting? There's a huge difference between expressing an opinion and acting the way you, gmen and the other trolls go about things when posting here.

"Was the kid putting the type of torque on his arm that it takes to throw a 90+mph fastball and major league level breaking pitches? Also, that doesn't say he was playing with a torn labrum the entire time"

Fair point.

"Also, that doesn't say he was playing with a torn labrum the entire time. It sounds like he gradually progressed to the point where he eventually tore his. "

I thought he was saying that he was wrongly diagnosed for a few years until they diagnosed the tear and then it got better.

As the GM he has to be accountable and when I stated that we can't get around the fact Montero was traded for this guy, I meant it metaphorically in that we gave up our best hitting prospect for Pineda.

This wasn't some rinky-dink package that we could afford to say meh.

Cashman got burnt in this deal and big questions remain about Pineda moving ahead.

True, but I thought the order is reversed.

Apparently, its common to have rotator cuff damage when rehabbing a labrum tear.

FYI - McGowan was throwing a 93 mph 2-seamer and a 96 mph 4-seamer in spring training. He is currently on the shelf with plantar fasciatis with an expected return date in early June.

It could be, the story isn't very detailed. Guess it's open for interpretation.

"big questions remain about Pineda moving ahead. "

He's 23...he has some of the best surgeons and rehab staff in the world available to him. I'd say he has a pretty decent chance to comeback from this....

"As the GM he has to be accountable and when I stated that we can't get around the fact Montero was traded for this guy"

Montero hasn't even had close to a full season in the Bigs yet. Potential does not equal performance. I think I'll wait a few years before I consider him to be a star. Right now, he's a kid with a lot of potential, nothing more.

He has plantar fasciatis now too? That guy has terrible luck.

Yeah, this is a major blunder on Cashman's part, one that I hope gets ownerships attention.

This effects the team in many ways. Not only can't Pineda win games for the Yanks, he can't even take all important innings for the pitching staff.

We also lose one young bat that could have been integrated into the lineup for years to come. Regardless what some of these posters need to believe about Montero, he always starts slow and finishes strong. Anyone that's paid attention to him knows that. That's why I don't put any credence into what they say.

>He's 23...he has some of the best surgeons and rehab staff in the world available to him. I'd say he has a pretty decent chance to comeback from this....

Yup, fingers crossed for him and a quick and speedy recovery

"Regardless what some of these posters need to believe about Montero, he always starts slow and finishes strong."

+++++++++++++

I keep mentioning this but they are ignoring it and locked in on saying well Montero isn't playing too stellar now.

At least Montero is healthy and on the field and will more than likely improve as the season goes on.

His minor league career showed those same trajectories a slow start and a monster as the season developed.

They can't justify an injured Pineda by trying to highlight Montero's start to the season.

hey shucker how have you been - you gonna make it to the KC series??

Yup. Do me a favour Yankee fans, when McGowan pitches for the Jays sometime this season, root for him a little. This was a guy who had number 1 elite stuff before he was injured back in 2007. Papi said that he had the best stuff in the AL.

He is now turning 30 and attempting a comeback after 3-4 years of rehab. He could be a good role model for a young guy like Pineda who will have to undergo not just a healing process over the next 12 months but also a whole new throwing regiment.

Its one thing to recover from labrum surgery and throw in the low 90's. Like Pineda, McGowan was a power pitcher. Its tougher for the hard throwing guys to recover.

In any event, I am not a Yankee fan but I hate seeing a young pitcher like Pineda go down like this. Many fans of McGowan have had their hearts broken. We know the feeling.