"The SF Giants won 2x in the last 3 yrs because of? pitching. to trade Wheeler is mindless idiocy"
To be fair, they didn't get their right away with the Lincecum/Cain combo. Why? Because they had a horrific OFFENSE. Pitching wins in the playoffs but you need offense to GET you there.
Myers is the next Evan Longoria.
Thats like asking "would you trade your left hand for your right hand"?
It'd be best if you had both together.
Neise is a good #2 type guy. He might be #3 on a killer staff, like Sid Fernandez was, or a #1 on a mediocre staff. We don't know how good Niese can be. He's already good, 13 wins for the 2012 Mets, a team with no offense, no defense, and an awful BP is pretty impressive, and, he's still getting better.
Harvey and Wheeler are question marks. Wheeler the bigger of the two. You say they CAN be top of the rotation guys. Sure, they could. They could also be Ollie Perez.
No way I'd trade a good major league player for a lottery ticket.
Wheeler for Myers is a fair deal. If you need hitting more than pitching, which we do, you make it. Both Wheeler and Myers have a roughly equal chance of success, and an equal chance to flop. Despite what the "trade everyone for prospects" crowd believes, most of them do flop.
I hate the Yankess, but you have to be pretty dumb to not realize they are the most successful franchise in baseball. They are in the playoffs every effen year. Their fans have become so arrogant that the regular season means nothing to them. "It's all about the post season" Now, I'd like us to have the same sort of success. That means we do what they do. When's the last time the Yankees traded a very good player for a prospect? What they do is trade prospects for good proven players. Sign a top free agent or two every year to replace an older guy, and win, and win, and win. Occasionally the prospect turns out to be better than what they got. Usually not.
That's what we should do, but no, with the Wilpons we are the KC Mets. We use the small market team approach, and will get KC results. If I want to see minor league baseball, I'll go to a Cyclones game. I shouldn't have to watch it at Citifield.
Occasionally the prospect
You can find hitters on the open market, you cannot find Good Pitching.
its that simple.
Next offseason is going to be much better.
"We lost way too many games last season by one run or so because of our offense" You could also make a case that those same gms were lost because of BP. Mets had 19 BS & 29 BP losses. See my post from an earlier thread: http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?sr=y&msg=545254.29&nav=messages&webtag=ml-mets "Mets had 22 one-run gms scoring 4+ runs (10-12):
9 1-run gms scoring 4 runs:Record w/ 4 runs: 4-5 (.444%)
13 1-run gms scoring 5+ runs.Record w/ 5+ runs: 6-7 (.461%)
10 one-run losses scoring 4+ runs. Means Mets pitching gave up 5+ runs those 10 gms. Any team scoring 4+ runs should have winning record for those gms."
And look why we didn't win.
Suppan pitched like Cy Young and Trachsel and Wagner Stunk.