but they are making money on sny. granted, they would make more at sny also with an exciting strong team.

$75m sounds about right for next yr. definitely under $85m. lets call it $80m.

" it's been reported that without the Madoff income the team would have lost money every year since 2002. That includes several years drawing more than 3 million and one over 4 million.

The NY Times reported the team lost money in 2009 with attendance of 3.1 million and 93% capacity.

Perhaps ownership should learn how to manage money and run a baseball team before paying customers take the blame."


No one ever accused this ownership of being geniuses.

Wilpon had a ballpark designed that had about 15,000 seats less than Shea, so ticket prices had to be higher to have the same revenue even if they had a sellout every night. At the same time, fans got sick of having the Mets fall flat so they stopped coming. Then the Madoff thing hit the fan. That's a bad combo. Any owner with that set of circumstances wouldn't spend more money to improve the team.

No one can blame the fans for not wanting to buy tickets to see this team. The fact remains though that by staying away, there's even less money to work with to get good players (Especially since the Madoff money isn't there to pay the bills). Reducing payroll is the only option they have right now to get things under control before they can spend money again.

Believe what you want to.

If they sign Wright to a big contract, how will you explain that if it's all about cutting payroll?

" what do you know about being an agent? have you ever been one? how do you know he'd only have to have a couple of clients? how do you know he'd only have to work 2 weeks a year?"


I don't have to be an agent to know they get a percentage of the clients' contracts. I think the industry norm is something like 15% or 20%. If a client signs a $100M contract, the agent will get $15M or $20M. How long does it take to negotiate a contract? From what I've seen, I'd say it's just a matter of weeks (After Albert Pujols declared free agency, it was only a few weeks before he signed that HUGE contract with the Angels. It was even shorter for Jose Reyes to sign that Marlins contract). An agent that has 5 clients that sign 1 year deals for a total of $20M will make $4M for that year if it's 20% for the agent, or $3M if it's 15%.

That's where an agent only has to work a couple of weeks a year and can make the same money (or more). He doesn't have to deal with the media either.

A guy that used to be a GM, has worked in the Commissioner's office, and has a Harvard law degree is qualified to be an agent.

"They're committed to $54.5M from $94.5M, do you think they will invest all that $40M in the team, or will they cut payroll further?"


I'm not going to guess what might happen. Let's see what they do.

You're way off on the agent compensation - it's 5%. You're even farther off if you think any player would consider him as an agent. He a known bonehead, and so is DiPodesto. Alderson had a G.M. to cushion the blow in San Diego and that didn't save him. He was a failure in the Pres. job, and he's a failure as a G.M.

MLB gives an agent license to anyone who has a player - having a player to represent is the criteria. Your impression of the significance of his B.S. Curriculum Vitae - if he's so smart I guess he has a strategy to trash this outfit. He's a creep created by nepotism, and another example of an entitled Harvard loser.

Last year the mets spent 1.86 mil per win. If they win the same amount this year, they will pay 1.2 mil per win. Over the course of the season it adds up to 49.5 mil in savings. Add in the 50 mil cut in payroll, Alderson saved nearly 100 mil this season for the same results.

You are right. He did his job.

The object is to get the correct value for the Monet spent. I hear what your are saying because I am also annoyed at the lack of success of this team. I do think they are in a better position today than we where last year in terms of money vs results.

Mark teixera and Adam Laroche have similar stats. Tex gets 22.5 mil per year. Laroche, 8 mil. Who would you rather have on your team?

"The fact remains though that by staying away, there's even less money to work with to get good players (Especially since the Madoff money isn't there to pay the bills)."

Starve the beast and force them out.

I get it now.
So its like me owning a nice restaurant with great atmosphere, but with a lousy Chef. I should tell me customers: Well if you come and spend top dollar here because its a nice place but on inferior food then maybe in a couple of years I can hire a great chef.

Yea that will work.

Why did they lose so much money? There losses are only a small part due to high payroll and bad team. The losses are largely due to the fact they build a stadium they could not afford and are now saddled with tremendous debt service payments every year.

I will give you my prediction anyway. Assuming Wright and Dickey sign extensions,any increases in payroll will go to them. If they don't sign. Payroll will stay the same and decrease in 2014 when they leave.

The stadium is only part of it ( a big part), but these jackasses were so reckless with Bernie's magic money flowing in they actually did stuff like borrow money so they could invest it with Madoff. They bought out the last year of Bonilla's contract so they could invest that money with Madoff. They turned a $5.9 million dollar salary into a 25 year, $25 million debt.

2 months to go,then make that statement.

what will they put around wright>will they get a right handed power bat for right field, a major league catcher who isnt an automatic out, a few dependable relievers, and maintain a quality bench? we will see. i think they would be better off embracing a full rebuild and working with wright on a trade, not that i want to see wright go. i just think that is the best move for everyone.

you are double counting that $50mil. last yr they overpaid by $50m. this yr by lowering payroll $50m, they seem to be getting what they paid for, a 3rd or 4th place around .500 team.