OK, thanks for the info. I did a search for Peter Angelos and Nationals and came up with this history, of which I was totally unaware. Wow, what a toad that guy is. Very enlightening.

On a side note, my sister and her husband had season tickets to the Orioles for years and years...I wasn't aware until last year that they had stopped even going to games quite some time ago. It took a lot for them to give up their fandom.

Now if someone can just explain why this board is largely populated by good-looking women in very flattering attire....

it is the avatar quest for winns last year we switched to "hot babe" avatars much to sofie's chagrin. But we went on a winning streak so therefore the tradition was born

It's hilarious! I have this vision of beautiful women in harem pajamas sitting around on chaise longues discussing batting averages and who's on the disabled list.

"There is NO valid reason to hate MASN"

I didn't say I hate MASN, I don't. What I hate is the Orioles organization. The reason I hate it (among other reasons, primarily that they kept baseball out of DC for 30+ years) is their meddling in our business. It just so happens that MASN is the embodiment of their meddling.

Oh like DC kept football out of Baltimore

now I see the logic

if they didn't cut the deal with Angelos we would still be basebell-less

cost of doing business

DC didn't keep football out of Baltimore. The Redskins kept football out of Baltimore. The Redskins are not a DC team.

The Redskins are notthe Dc team

You can rationalize anything

>>if they didn't cut the deal with Angelos we would still be basebell-less<<
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That's just wrong, Rich. There is no way that the other owners would scuttle a deal just for him and there was no way there's contraction. There was nowhere else viable for the espos to go. Selig wanted a complete consensus and sold us out.
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Let's go Nationals!

"If they weren't whinning about MASN they would find something else"

That's funny...coming from ther biggest whiner on the board.

I can't believe you're defending MASN.

"You can rationalize anything"

You probably think of the Giants as a New York team.

the owners wouldn't carry the Expos they would have dumped them in Vegas then

you always say that with no basis

I'm not defending MASN

they do a decent job they make mistakes especially selling to DC advertisers but that is their business decision.

The deal was needed to be made to bring the team here so it is a cost of doing business

No use obsessing ove rit

to say the Redskins are not a DC team is one of the dumbest statements you ever made

Go anywhere and say that the admission to the looney farm will be waiting

No, what would have and should have happened is to buy up the Expos and move them to DC and let Agnelos fume. The Orioles have no rights over DC, especially for a team in a different league. His lawyer mouth may have said so, he may have thought so, but he had - and has - zero claim over the DC market, especially for a National League team.

But yeah, Selig sold out the area and gave Angelos a piece of the pie vis-a-vis MASN. We'll all see how arbitration goes but I don't think there's a remote chance that the Nats TV deal will be as good as if they were free to negotiation with Comcast, Root or Fox on their TV rights. Maybe I'm wrong, and if MASN agrees to a deal similar to San Diego, Houston or any of the other recent deals, then fine, at least the Nats are getting paid fairly out of it. But the fact will remain that Angelos owns MASN, and has locked up the TV rights to a baseball team that he does not own.

Basically, from a TV revenue perspective, the Nats are vassals to Angelos. They can only deal with his network, and he'll earn a profit for doing nothing. And, a profit he simply doesn't deserve to have.

Vegas isn't large enough or wealthy enough to support a team. The entire valley population is around 1.9 mil and that includes Henderson and Boulder City. Compare that to DC which probably has over 5 mil living in and around the beltway. The median family income in Vegas is a little over $50K. Compared to DC and it's suberbs of over $100K. Better yet, compare Vegas to San Diego County and surronding counties which has more than twice the population as Vegas and twice the wealth. SD has a very hard time competing.

There's no way Vegas can support any type of major professional sport. Very few native Las Vegans. The team would have to market to the opposing team supporters. "Come to Vegas and see your team play a weekend series, then gamble and party afterward." Besides, just a few years ago MLB was thinking about contracting. Expansion seems out of the question.

This is the point where I blow a gasket, have a hissy fit, and spew stuff like "How dare you!" "And you call yourself a Nats fan!", put you on ignore, and then unignore you after a week or two.

But I'm too tired for all that and I'll cut to unignoring you right away. Later on, I'll explain why the rest of us hate MASN, or more specifically, Peter Angelos owning MASN.

Oh great. Two more teams, 10 more injured pitchers, 8 more injured position players.

Eddie I guess you never heard of:
Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change

No, NY has 2 teams, the Bills and the j e t s.

NJ has only 1 GIANTS

"to say the Redskins are not a DC team is one of the dumbest statements you ever made"

Oh is that so? DC teams play in DC, what's hard to understand about that?

Nevermind. I've given up on ever having intelligent discourse with you.

And particularly so if you cannot hold a conversation without constant insults and rudeness. Don't address any further messages to me.