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  • 1/23/13
  • DFAB
I agree on the C-....the Dickey trade was great but everything else is a failure so far.
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  • 1/23/13
  • fargol

"In what context do you use the word "key" when Acosta, bay, and dickey are all grouped here? I give us a B."

I also give it a B based on high hopes but low expectations.

If I didn't use realistic expectations as a factor, I'd give it a D- but this team had no intentions of creating a contending team for 2013, nor was there the opportunity to do so.

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  • 1/23/13
  • RobfromLI

"If I didn't use realistic expectations as a factor, I'd give it a D- but this team had no intentions of creating a contending team for 2013, nor was there the opportunity to do so."

-- This seems fair. The Mets weren't going to turn into a contender over night, this isnt the NFL. It's sad but the reality of the situation, if we accept it, means we can't really beat on the Mets too bad. Sandy is doing what he could with what he has.

Personally I would traded Wright but I guess I'm OK with keeping him. I'd love to see Santana moved around the trade deadline though. If we could get a solid OF prospect for him I'd be happy.

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  • 1/23/13
  • bbjmparis

Very generous evaluation. I give Sandy and the FO an F-. Hmm F- might be too genereous too. Maybe G for God awful

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  • 1/23/13
  • fargol

" if we accept it, means we can't really beat on the Mets too bad."

Well, we can beat on them just on general terms, but no one should have expected anything of import to happen this off-season. Though I still hold out faint hope something will get done before OD.

"Personally I would traded Wright but I guess I'm OK with keeping him."
Yeah, that's a tough call. I see it both ways.

" I'd love to see Santana moved around the trade deadline though. If we could get a solid OF prospect for him I'd be happy."
I'd be beyond happy :) He's got to pitch pretty much lights out for someone to give us a top prospect without expecting the Mets to cover 70% (or more) of his $$$.

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  • 1/23/13
  • fargol

"I give Sandy and the FO an F-."

Let's say they signed D. Young (who isn't an awful choice), and maybe one other; maybe Saunders.

What would you grade them then?

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  • 1/23/13
  • bbjmparis
If...then C- or D
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  • 1/23/13
  • murphstates

Here's the whole enchilada.

New York Mets

2012 Results: 74-88, 4th place in NL East (Hot Stove Preview)

Key departures: RHP Manny Acosta, OF Jason Bay, SS Ronny Cedeno, RHP R.A Dickey, OF Scott Hairston, C Mike Nickeas, RHP Mike Pelfrey, RHP Ramon Ramirez, RHP Jon Rauch, C Kelly Shoppach, C Josh Thole, OF Andres Torres, RHP Chris Young

Key arrivals: OF Andrew Brown, C John Buck, OF Collin Cowgill, C Travis d’Arnaud, IF Brandon Hicks, LHP Pedro Feliciano, LHP Aaron Laffey

Coming off their fourth consecutive losing season and still dealing with significant financial woes, the Mets have certainly made major headlines this winter, both via the eight-year, $138 million extension to which they signed David Wright and the blockbuster that sent Dickey to the Blue Jays as part of a seven-player trade. Aside from those two moves, they’ve done little to help their cause, though it’s somewhat telling that the bulk of the free agents listed above — Cedeno, Hairston, Ramirez, Rauch, Shoppach and Young — remain unsigned. Most of them are usable, affordable roster supplements, but whether the Mets can actually afford them is another matter.

As wrenching as it was to part with an NL Cy Young winner who has emerged as a face of the franchise in his three seasons in the Big Apple, general manager Sandy Alderson did net a good return from Toronto. D’Arnaud, who turns 24 on Feb. 10, should be a cornerstone of the rebuilding process, a two-way catcher who ranks among the top 20 prospects in the game. The only hitch is that his 2012 season ended last June 25 due to a torn posterior cruciate ligament in his left knee; he didn’t undergo surgery but he didn’t return to action, either. The Mets figure to let him get back into the swing of things and squeeze him for an extra year of service time by farming him out to start the year, with Buck, who was flipped by the Blue Jays after being acquired in the 12-player Marlins blockbuster, keeping the seat warm. Though the 32-year-old hit just .192/.297/.347 in 2012, his career line (.235/.303/.405) and defense are adequate enough for him to slide into a backup/mentor role after d’Arnaud arrives. The other key piece of the Dickey deal, 20-year-old righty Noah Syndergaard, is a high-upside power righty who is years away from the majors, but another promising arm for an organization that is reasonably well-stocked in them.

Beyond that, the pickings are slim. Laffey is a serviceable swingman who made 16 starts and six relief appearances for the Blue Jays and put up a 4.56 ERA in 100 2/3 innings, though his strikeout and homer rates (4.3 per nine and 1.5 per nine, respectively) suggest regression ahead. Feliciano averaged 86 appearances with a 3.35 ERA for the Mets from 2007-2010, but a torn shoulder capsule cost him the last two years, and he may well be done. Cowgill and Hicks were spare parts for the A’s last year; the former, 26, is an outfielder who hit just .269/.336/.317 with one homer in 116 PA for Oakland last year after a similarly feeble stint with the Diamondbacks the year before, while the latter, 27, hit .172/.243/.391 with three homers in 70 PA. Brown, 28, hit a nothing-to-write-home-about .232/.302 /.429 with five homers in 126 PA for the Rockies.

Some of the aforementioned free agents may still return. Hairston, who hit .263/.299/.504 with 20 homers in 398 PA for the Mets in 2012, is said to be deciding between the Mets and Cubs, with the Yankees a longshot. Given the Mets’ current outfield situation (more on which momentarily), he’d certainly figure to get at least as much playing time as he did last year. The always-fragile Young, 33, put up a 4.15 ERA in 115 innings last year, his heaviest workload since 2008; he could fill out the rotation behind Johan Santana, Jon Niese, Dillon Gee and Matt Harvey. Cedeno, who turns 30 on Feb. 2, could help an infield that’s sorely lacking in depth, though his track record suggests he’ll be hard-pressed to duplicate last year’s line of .259/.332/.410, via which he set career highs in both on-base and slugging percentages.

Unfinished business: Out here in the fields. Mets outfielders hit a combined .238/.309/.386 with 47 in 2012 en route to the second-lowest OPS of any NL team. Take away the work done by Hairston, and that slugging percentage drops to .355. Yet aside from cutting bait on Jason Bay, letting Torres depart after a disappointing season and adding Cowgill, they’ve done nothing to improve the situation. As it is, their starting outfield consists of Mike Baxter (.263/.365/.413 in 211 PA), Kirk Nieuwenhuis (.252/.315 /.376 in 314 PA) and Lucas Duda (.239/.329/.389 in 459 PA), all of whom are suitable to one degree or another as part-timers, but stretched as regulars.

With no real shot at contending, New York would be foolish to trade anyone of value — a pitching prospect, say — and signing free agent Michael Bourn to a short-term deal is almost certainly beyond the team’s means; this is a franchise whose finances have forced Alderson to haggle with Hairston over a couple million dollars and to crack wise about the futility of the situation in public. The team was said to be interested in G.rady Sizemore back in December, but the 30-year-old former All-Star missed all of 2012 due to a microdiscectomy in his lower back and microfracture surgery on his right knee after playing in a combined 104 games in 2010-2011; he could be out until midseason, and he’s not exactly a quick healer. If the Mets are to find an upgrade or two, Alderson is going to have to either get particularly creative or convince the Wilpons to loosen the purse strings a bit.

Preliminary grade: C-. The Mets received a fine return in the Dickey deal, and they did well to retain Wright, but Alderson has been hamstrung by budget concerns that have prevented him from filling out the roster.

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  • 1/23/13
  • Kranesback
Especially the ooutfield assessment...spot on
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  • 1/23/13
  • RobfromLI

"But after going back and looking at Hairstons production I think he was not as good as most think. Really look at his numbers."

You're right that Hairston isn't that good. The thing is he's better than anyone else that we currently have, especially when you factor in left handed pitching. The guy doesn't hit righties well and he doesn't walk ... at all. But he can beat up left handed pitching way better than anyone else that would play OF for us. At the very least a Duda/Hairston platoon would be far better than just Duda.

If Hairston doesn't cost us anything other than a couple million $ - which I don't think would go anywhere else anyway if not spent on him - then there's no reason not to pick him back up. If he doesn't do well then so be it. It's not like he would be holding anyone back.

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  • 1/23/13
  • DFAB
If they signed D Young plus Saunders/Marcum on top of making the Dickey trade, then I give the Mets a B/B-
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  • 1/23/13
  • ewok54
I'd give him a "B". No, I don't work for the Mets!!!!! I figure he had no money to work with. Except for Dickey and Hairston, the rest were a large part of why we stunk it up. Consensus is Alderson fleeced the Jays. If you look at the lesser known players, Cowgill, Hicks, Laffey and maybe Feliciano, it's pretty impressive. My issue is the owners didn't give him the resources to do more. If he had $20MM to spend, or roughly the same as last years heavily cut payroll, we could possibly be looking at an 81+ win team.
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