I have no idea why the A's don't do exactly what the Giants did...build a stadium in or around their downtown area, and create a great environment where people will want to go. Restaurants and bars ACROSS THE STREET....maybe some trees and other non-asphalt covered green things...
There's nothing wrong with the A's fans...there's something wrong with the A's ownership.
"i guarantee that if the AAA's were in our shoes, they wouldnt cough up their territory for us either."
That's the problem, they were in our shoes and they did practically give us SJ for free - And that's why every AAAs fan thinks we should return the favor. Granted, they're conveniently ignoring the fact that SJ was not the tech start up capitol of the world then, and worth no where near as much as it is today revenue wise.
Ownership is the hardest thing of all to change in baseball. It has to get to McCourt levels of problems before the league will step in.
I think the A's could do decently well in a baseball park near downtown, but the question is, who's going to fund and build it? Nobody in place right now.
A move seems the most likely scenario.
"Granted, they're conveniently ignoring the fact that SJ was not the tech start up capitol of the world then"
In 1992, it was, indeed, the tech start up capitol of the world. Actually, since much earlier than '92. More like the mid '60's or early '70's.
I'm not making an argument for or against the Giants' claim of territorial rights. Just clarifying the chronology of Silicon Valley. I was employed there for more years than I care to mention.
" Oakland City govt isn't going to spend a dime on a new ballpark it sounds like."
Nor should they, or any city for that matter.
AT&T is great and the Giants are making a lot of money because they privately financed it. I'm so tired of all these team owners crying poor when it comes to new stadiums. If you can afford to build a good place for your team to play, you can't afford a team.
The only thing cities should be on the hook for are things like tax incentives on the land or cutting deals on selling the property itself. But taxpayers shouldn't be straddled with $400M bonds or tourist taxes or property tax increase just to build the richest guy in town a new ballpark.
What's happening in Sacramento with the Kings is a disgrace. The city is paying $200-250M of the $385M complex. The Maloofs played Johnson and the people of Sacramento like fools. They pitted Anaheim and Seattle and Sac against each other to see who would give up the most money...for the Maloofs to make more money.
Eff the A's and eff public stadium financing.
There have been a lot of economic studies showing that taxpayers and municipalities rarely get back their investment on public stadiums. Even with the increased tax revenue and employment opportunities.
IMO, they should be spending the money on schools, buses and roads and not lining the pockets of billionaires. Especially in a place like Oakland.
"Especially in a place like Oakland."
But that's my point, in Oakland they ARE spending the money on schools, buses, and roads etc. and it is still a terrible place. Supporting a new ballpark can't make things any worse.
I do think the A's will move to San Jose in a few years, and here's my take on this.
If we give the A's the South Bay rights, we get their East Bay rights. If the A's get a new park in San Jose, we'll still completely outdraw them annually, and their weekday crowds will just go up from 10,000 to 20,000.
Oakland is broke.
I think it's less about the crowds and more about the corporate dollars that could potentially hurt the Giants.
Krukow was asked about the article this morning on Murph & Mac and he said that the NY Daily News writer is legit and if he's saying that then there's probably something to it. He didn't want to get too deep into it but he basically said that this guy has a good relationship with several owners. It's possible that the writer is basing his opinion on the fact that all the owners that he's asked about this say they wouldn't vote to force the Giants to give up their rights. Could come back to bite them in the future. Of course you could have a situation where MLB just tries to force the Giants to give up the rights but then I'm sure there would be a lawsuit that MLB may not be able to win.
Some guy was interviewed on either KNBR or MLB Network Radio and he said that the A's should just move forward with plans to move and let the Giants try to stop them. I forget who this guy was but I don't think he thought it through very well.
how does this sound.
your 2013 portland athletics!
your 2013 Las Vegas athletics!
your 2013 Sacramento athletics!
your 2013 "name your city here" athletics!