And here I thought it was Nagy who gave up the game winning hit to Rentería..... lol

I blame Blake for the errors after Skinner held up Lofton..... lol

It's on the entire team, no doubt, but CC and Fausto are your go-to guys, they did it all season long. No reason you can't get ONE quality start out of either of them in that series. Nothing the jockey can do if his horse doesn't want to run.

I don't, that's why I asked you to explain something as ridiculous as blaming a manager for losing a playoff series..one where his two 19-game winning starting pitchers completely sh!t their pants and put their team in a hole every time out.

Why do we have to say that Acta is the worst manager in baseball? Really? Is this because Acta stayed so long with Masterson? In my opinion Acta stayed with him because Masterson is the "ace" of our staff. There are times a manager really wants his pitcher to get himself out of trouble and basically wants to believe in him but Justin just couldn't do it. He was very wild last night and couldn't seem to locate anything at all. Obviously he made a mistake but as a fan I think I am OK with it. Acta isn't perfect but he is far from the worst manager in baseball. I don't agree with every move he makes but that's OK because I am by no means an expert. I and most of the rest of you are just passionate Cleveland Indian baseball fans. We don't have to agree with every move.

In my opinion managers get almost all the blame for everything when a team gets beat and no one ever wants to lay blame on the players. I don't understand that and I never will. In 2007 the Tribe had CC Sabathia on the mound at home with a 3-1 series lead and CC got hammered. This isn't Eric Wedge's fault. Fausto Carmona imploded in Boston and once again this isn't Wedge's fault. Then after getting beat two in a row the Tribe had Westbrook on the mound and by that time the Tribe just didn't believe in themselves and after CC and Fausto both lost I think most Tribe fans knew it was over. As much as I wanted to win I still can't bring myself to blame the Wedge. How about blaming our own players for choking or even give the Red Sox credit for being a better team? Like I said the manager gets all the blame for a loss no matter who it is and of course that isn't fair.

Acta is a shapiro programmed robot, and thats why he got hired. Nobody else was gonna hire his sorry as .s, Indians FO could make him their puppet with no worry of back talk. No Good manager would be told how to run their team. This guy has no passion or fire, was nice to hear manning call him out on the Hafner hit/foul.. Saying he is the worst manager in baseball is a compliment to him and his .385 winning %, but hey he can speak spanish!!!!!

I never said Wedge was the only reason they lost to Boston, but I do feel that a better manager could have made the difference, and that a better manager would have got them into the playoffs in 2005. We have been over this before.... You have your opinions, and I have mine.

Acta as made some really bad decisions as of late, but Wedge was just a lousy manager.

Me: "'WEDGE LOST THE 2007 ALCS' Really?"
You: "Yeah, really..."

A few posts later...

You: "I never said Wedge was the only reason they lost to Boston...blah blah blah"

Keep talking in circles man maybe you'll make more sense the next time around.

But there were 25 jockey's on the roster I don't think they were all used as they should have been used.

I'm not saying no managerial mistakes were made, but at some point it, regardless of the lineup, the rotation, the usage of the bullpen, the bench or ANYTHING that the manager has control over...regardless of ALL of that...it still comes down to the players who have to actually play the game. A manager could do everything 100% exactly right, but if his players don't perform, you simply are not going to win the game.

The inverse isn't true though. You don't HAVE to have the best manager in baseball to win. Joe Girardi is one of the worst managers I've ever seen, but who can't win with the Yankees on the field?

" Talking in circles."

He, who all of sudden claims to have always been on the Willingham bandwagon.

Give me break!

You are totally right and yes you don't have to have the best manager in baseball to win but a lot of times it is the little things that go unnoticed that can cost you in the end, little mistakes through out the year and especially when you make them over and over. I still say Wedge didn't help things because he was being stubborn because I read where he said in August he wasn't going to manage anymore just let the players play and that was about the time Gut started playing more in right field and Nixon sat. I think having Showalter upstairs had something to do with it and Wedge didn't like someone telling him how to run "his" team. Then to show them how wrong they were he kept playing Gut in the outfield in the post season and sat Nixon even though Boston had all right handed starters. Also Wedge stuck to the same lineup and when Boston was down 3 games to 1 Francona started juggling his lineup but Wedge was out to make a point.

I have no desire to go back through old posts to show you how long I've been on the Willingham bandwagon, but if you don't believe feel free to knock yourself out. Do an advanced search for "Willingham" from adaree dated back to a year ago and you will see.

Subject: ST Record

Mar- 30 ..... In reply to Xforemanjoe

" Why would you want to see us over pay for an aging bat - only player with an injury history? Because it worked so well with Hafner."

I'm just messing with you dude... Its obvious that you are pretty intelligent when comes to all the ins and outs on baseball. My issues with Wedge are my own personal demons. For some reason he was the one Indian's manager that just got under my skin.

You know exactly what I mean.

Danny I know what you mean I was just mentioning someone else who people can blame for that loss including everyone on the offense who didn't score enough runs that game.

Acta is a fine manager. Blame the upper management that keeps giving him no talent and wasting money on small contracts for minor league caliber players. Then maybe you'd get somewhere.

I know a few people who keep saying wedge lost that series and Hargrove lost the 97 WS and blew it in the ALDS of 99. As you guys are saying, always is the manager and never the situation.

Totally Agree. I Blame Sabathia AND Carmona, but specially Carmona. And If we're going to blame somebody from coaching staff.. how about our third base coach whe he stopped Lofton from score?