>>Not as an MVP player, he will be a perennial all star and he will probably steal 30 bases numerous times in his career but he will never be a 25 homerun player. His ceiling is much more similiar to Jeter

I agree. I think 15 HRs a year will be about his limit. I think he'll steal closer to 20 bases a year, than 30 which would be similar to Jeter as he averaged around 20 a season, hitting 30 or more only 4 times.

I would be thrilled if Castro had a career like Jeter's but i don't see it happening. Jeter has been way better at getting on base (career average of .382) than Castro ever will be and also i don't ever see Castro having a .900 OPS season (Jeter had a few right around .900 or higher) and has a career OPS of .830. I think Castro's ceiling will be closer to a career OPS around .785.

I do agree that he will be a perennial all star and i believe he will eventually win a few gold gloves as well.

You don't know anything about me. Don't pretend you do.

>>You don't know anything about me. Don't pretend you do.

I know what i see on this MB and thats enough for me to know i don't want to know anything else about you.

That is why I said ceiling, the only difference between the two is the ability to walk. If Castro ever gets that then I think he will accomplish that.

Jeter's 162 game average

33 doubles, 16 homeruns, 22 stolen bases, .313 average. I could see that being the average for Castro as well maybe slightly more stolen bases. The big question as to how far Castro will go will indeed be his OBP

No you make assumptions. Most of which are way off. Just like when you started something in the game thread yesterday.

>>That is why I said ceiling,

I understood your point. I think its just a higher ceiling that Castro will ever reach.

>>the only difference between the two is the ability to walk

That's not the only difference but it is the main difference. If you're only looking at the first two years of Jeter, then i guess that's the only difference, but if you're talking about his career, that's a different matter.

If castro can even get close to what jeter has accomplished i will be satisfied. I think it may be a few years before Castro even manages 1 season with an .800 OPS let alone have a career average 30 points higher

>>33 doubles, 16 homeruns, 22 stolen bases, .313 average. I could see that being the average for Castro as well maybe slightly more stolen bases

I can see that too, maybe an average closer to .300 though

>>The big question as to how far Castro will go will indeed be his OBP

Agreed. That is the one area in which he needs to improve (or at least the one area in which he has the greatest room for improvement.)

No, i simply call it like it see it.

When i see a poster do nothing but p!$$ and moan about a single player and complain about him no matter what he does and refuse to admit that he provides any value, etc. then i simply say that the person doesn't like that player.

Yes, I understand that you get butt hurt when your fav players are called out for what they are.

"Nobody, and I mean NOBODY is going to deal with the Cubs in a way that might benefit this team."

The suits up in the front office won't have much job security if majority of trade deals benefits the opposing ballclub, no?

That said, I agree with you. Castro is another in a long line of overrated Chicago draft picks ala Derrick Rose.

are you kidding?? D-Rose is prob a top 3 player..it's a shame he got hurt, a bulls vs heat matchup woulda been epic..and i'm from san francisco..btw i'm sure the giants would love to take Castro off you guys hands..our ss is hitting .230 with a .288 obp.

Shawon Dunston!!! Let's see where was he drafted? #1. Career 268 BA and 296 OBP. Never had 150 hits in a season!

Shawon was a career underachiever. The only comparables are skin color and arm strength.

I think he is sitting to close to Soriano when on the bench.

First, I don't believe that all our prospects are going to "pan out" and play up to their potential in the bigs.

I do have faith in Baez, Vogelbach, Rizzo and Soler.

I have less faith in Jackson, Vitters and Lake.

I can't really commit on Almora since I haven't seen him much but I will say I'm not a very big fan of his swing. It looks loopy and I don't like the high leg kick. I hope he can produce like Soriano but that swing, to me, looks like it will lead to inconsistency. I hope the Cubs can rework it a little and make it quicker.

Also, I think Soler's swing from the right side looks borderline perfect! Short, quick, very little complexity.

I am not saying I would trade him. However if I was inclined to Oakland would be the best trade partner. Tons of young pitching talent and a rich system. They may think they can compete next year and a good shortstop is needed. If Jed & Theo pull the trigger on a Castro trade they had better be right.

I don't think the A's match up very well at all with the Cubs. As with all A's prospects they all come with ifs.

With nearly all A's pitching prospects you can put, "Could be a number 2/3 starter if ______"

They have stamina issues, control issues, injury issues ect.

IMO, if you trade Castro, and it's a big if you have to get at least two guys who is as next to a sure thing as you can get and then some younger high ceiling guys. Not a bunch of ifs.

You do know that Rizzo is left handed, that doesn't work well at second.....
Rizzo is a solid first baseman, don't think he is going to be moved......
Castro is worth more to the Cubs than to other teams....he is having a down
year but is still better than most in the league.....
Vogelbach, is a long way from being in the big show.....he has to prove himself
before you worry about where he will play......

I am not saying I would trade him however I disagree on your evaluation of the A's system. Let's say we send Castro and Gardenas to the A's this covers a glaring weakness on their team. We get Choice, Norris, Cole and Cook. 2 potental power bats and 2 young pitchers. This could help the A's in 2013 and the Cubs in 2014. Again don't go crazy I just like to speculate.

Awful that a couple of posters can absolutely ruin a thread, but I love "Ignore".

To one of the statements in this thread about teams not wanting to deal with us, kind of odd since we were rumored to be in talks with almost everyone this deadline. The problem is we wont settle for less than we want, and I dont see that as a problem.

As far as a Castro return, it would be less than his value. He is 22, with almost 3 years experience, and not even making a million dollars a year yet. We would ask for the moon and stars for him, and while teams would offer the moon they would not give up the stars too.

The only team I saw his name come up with and shot down quickly was Arizona, so Im guessing we asked for Bauer and Skaggs there, or maybe they asked about Castro/Upton swap and we wanted Skaggs or Bauer too and they were happy to stop talking.

The reality is this, I know prospects do not always pan out, but we are set for the future everywhere except SS (if Baez becomes a 3B), so why trade the best you gest one in the game?

Maybe I'm wrong, but wasn't Jeter still in the minor at the same age when Castro was in the majors? If so, then why can't Castro be just as good, if not better, than Jeter over the course of their careers?

Castro is a big talent; an all star two times by age 21. That's huge. His average and OBP are a bit down this year as oppose to 2010 and 2011, but his HRs are up. His defense is much improved. This kid is gonna be very, very good barring injuries.

I don't think any team could manage to put together a package of players such that the Cubs would trade Castro. It would take a lot. Look at other SSs at age 21-22 (won't find many that were in MLB, first of all, at that age) and their numbers plus their potential. Castro is about as good as you'll ever find in that group, and the Cubs would have to demand a lot in return. Some posters here think he will turn into an average player overall, but I think he's going to be pretty exceptional. He may always be "overhyped" but that's the fault of fans and media, not him. Even great players can be overhyped, and I'd rather have an overhyped great player than an under-the-radar above average player.

Yawn. Castro wasn't even drafted. If you are going to troll, at least get your facts straight.