No hindsight on my part.

I've been telling everyone Chapman's role in the bullpen is wrong from the start.

Never should have been sent there.

No one listened. Now they're paying the price with L's.

Marty, I'm ok with it. And this is why. Remember how they brought Don Gullett along? Plus, they are slowly stretching him out to be ready as a starter. I think facing ML hitters are valuable, no matter where they are on the staff. Besides, Bray doesn't look himself yet. I respect your opinion and I can see where you're coming from but I believe it will work out in the long run.

Plus, they are slowly stretching him out to be ready as a starter.
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Slowly, is an understatement.

We are 3 years into Chapman's contract and we've gotten basically NOTHING from him as a starting pitcher.

He was a starter before the Reds signed him. Other than harnessing his fastball and getting it under control (which should have been PRIORITY ONE) he's been ready as a starter.

<This innings limit BS is ridiculous. If someone that young can't endure a full season pitching while Jamie Moyer can pitch until he's 70, he better get the hell out of Dodge.

Moyer is not the same type of pitcher. He is not a fireballer. The only thing I can counter what you've posted is Gullett was brought along much the same way. Think of this. Who do you pull from the rotation right now?

Bailey......in a HEART BEAT.

Bailey would have never seen the starting rotation.

thats the worse part....we need three chappy's and we don[t even have one....

I'll bite.

At this point, 25

"This innings limit BS is ridiculous. If someone that young can't endure a full season pitching while Jamie Moyer can pitch until he's 70, he better get the h3ll out of Dodge."

it isn't the age that is the significant factor, it is the preperation and to a lesser extent pitching style. You cannot go from 118ip to 200ip without significantly increasing your chances of injury no matter your age.

BS.....they did it for 50 years.

Yep. And they grew up throwing tons more innings and those who couldn't burned out. Believe it or not, but the fact is that the understanding of physiology has improved over the last 50 years. In virtually every sport, drastic changes have happened. But, hey, why should anyone look at contemporary baseball trends or research like that done by verducci when we have you as an expert?

In virtually every sport, drastic changes have happened. But, hey, why should anyone look at contemporary baseball trends or research like that done by verducci when we have you as an expert?
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It's not "physiology" that has created the "drastic" changes in pitching stamina genius. It's the burgeoning million dollar contracts ownership is protecting on their investment.

I'd agree. Read what I write and you might actually learn something.

Gee, thanks for the physiology lessons. I really enjoyed readin....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

It's not my fault you suuckle Verducci's nutsack. If you subscribe to his "theories", by all means, gobble him up.

I don't recall saying that if a pitcher can't throw a full season he doesn't belong in the Major Leagues. Can you copy and paste that comment from me? What I DID say was that Chapman, who has pitched as a starter his entire professional career before the Reds signed him, should be conditioned to last a full season and NOT limited by innings.

Don't feel discouraged by missing my subtleties. You're ignorant, thus forgiven.

I said that all the money Castellini could spend in the world and all the trades Walt could make wouldn't buy a lick of fan appreciation of the team doesn't win. Not even 15 games into the season and people have started to turn if not already. I'll just pat myself the back for that truth.

"how many starts should chapman get this year ?"

20, I've never been afraid of a direct question.