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    • The great Soriano and his new bat!
  • 5/24/12
  • truck19
So, 1 post is a whole bunch now?
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  • 5/24/12
  • wazzup_23

>>So, 1 post is a whole bunch now?

That was 1 example. if you bothered to read my post I said there were several, but i'm not going to take the time to go back and post every single one of them to you.

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  • 5/24/12
  • hydra9
Soriano's batting .278 in May with a .528 slugging percentage. So he's actually playing very well right now.
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  • 5/24/12
  • jerm42991

"People keep asking for Barney to be replaced, so why don't the same people ask for Soriano to be replaced when so far they have virtually performed at the same level this season?"

Simple, Barney is easily replaceable and Soriano is not. You can cut Barney and nobody in the accounting department would notice, if you cut Soriano you still have that 50 mil to pay him which plays a huge factor.

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  • 5/24/12
  • truck19
I realize that, however you posted an example (uncredited) and still every response up to my reply expressed bafflement since they hadn't seen anything to verify your claims.
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  • 5/24/12
  • wazzup_23

>>Soriano's batting .278 in May with a .528 slugging percentage. So he's actually playing very well right now

Not really. He's had 1 good week. He usually has 3 or 4 a year.

If you take out his 5 game stretch in which he hit 3 of his 4 HRs, he is hitting .240 in May with a sub .700 OPS.

That's what soriano always brings to the table.

By the end of the month, he'll be back to a .250 BA and an OPS just above .700 for the month.

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  • 5/24/12
  • wazzup_23

>>Simple, Barney is easily replaceable and Soriano is not. You can cut Barney and nobody in the accounting department would notice, if you cut Soriano you still have that 50 mil to pay him which plays a huge factor.

Soriano makes the same amount of money whether he is on the bench or in the field.

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  • 5/24/12
  • jerm42991
Yes, but if you want any chance of possibly trading him(which they are holding out hope for) then he has to play on the field.
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  • 5/24/12
  • wazzup_23

>>I realize that, however you posted an example (uncredited) and still every response up to my reply expressed bafflement since they hadn't seen anything to verify your claims.

Well, if they are still reading this thread they've seen a few more that discuss Soriano's very good May numbers

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  • 5/24/12
  • wazzup_23

>>Yes, but if you want any chance of possibly trading him(which they are holding out hope for) then he has to play on the field.

Nobody is going to take Soriano unless the cubs eat 99% of his salary.

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  • 5/24/12
  • jerm42991
<never said they would but if you want any chance of that happening and saving a couple mil he has to play and hope he can sustain a hot streak and some team in the AL has their DH suck. Unless someone writes Ricketts a 50 mil check, Soriano is going to be starting or traded and there isn't much that can be done about it. That is just the reality of the situation
Edited 5/24/12   by  jerm42991
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  • 5/24/12
  • Wake Up
Realistically I'd say more like 95%.
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  • 5/24/12
  • wazzup_23

High priced players not performing have been benched in the past. Using his contract as an excuse is a poor one.

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  • 5/24/12
  • garers

For the 5734th time-Soriano is owed $47 million (or whatever right this minute) for the next 2.66 years and if you replace or release him-you still gotta pay him.

And unfortunately the Cubs dont have anybody better than Sori, either on the current roster or on the farm.

It's gonna be a long decade!

Edited 5/24/12   by  garers
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  • 5/24/12
  • xxxxxxxxxxxxx0101010

Soriano is the most criticized player on this board, and Soriano has been twice as productive as Barney has been over the course of the season thus far.

So, you are complaining that a player with 23 RBI's isn't as highly criticized as a player with 9?

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  • 5/24/12
  • wazzup_23

>>Soriano is the most criticized player on this board, and Soriano has been twice as productive as Barney has been over the course of the season thus far. So, you are complaining that a player with 23 RBI's isn't as highly criticized as a player with 9?

100% wrong on both accounts.

Soriano has been nowhere near twice as productive as Barney. The OPS between the two of them is 3 points (.683 vs .680). Yes, Soriano has more RBIs but he hits in the 4 and 5 spots in the lineup compared to 2nd and 8th spots in the lineup. It would be next to impossible for him not to have more RBIs than Barney.

When you look at total rbis/runs scored, the difference is not that great. (32 for Soriano and 26 for Barney). I think the OBP for Barney, which is 15 points better than Soriano's kind of makes up for the 3 point difference in OPS between the two.

Soriano has exactly 3 more total bases than Barney this year, so how EXACTLY does that compute to TWICE AS PRODUCTIVE????

They have been virtually the same exact player!!

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  • 5/24/12
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RISP:

Soriano 42ab, 2HR, 21RBI, .310BA
Barney 31ab, 0hr, 7RBI, .194BA

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  • 5/24/12
  • wazzup_23

I don't care about splits, who bats better at night vs the day, etc.

I'm looking at the entire season. You said throughout the entire season, Soriano has been twice as productive as Barney.

You did not say, with RISP Soriano has been twice as productive as Barney.

With the bases loaded, Barney is hitting .500 with a 2.000 OPS compared to Soriano's .200 BA and .400 OPS.

With zero outs in the inning, Barney is hitting .333 with an OPS of .770, Soriano's hitting .172 with an OPS under .500

This early in the season, you will see splits like that. That's why it's important to look at the ENTIRE season and so far they have been virtually identical.

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  • 5/24/12
  • xxxxxxxxxxxxx0101010

Great, you've established that Barney is HITTING about the same as Soriano but not PRODUCING. He isn't PRODUCING .

If Barney could PRODUCE as much as Soriano he would hit higher than Soriano.

I gave you splits because you mentioned where Barney was hitting, Soriano had 11 more at bats and produced bigger results. Where Barney bats can't be used as an excuse. Soriano batted 7th last year and drove in 88 RBI's.

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  • 5/24/12
  • Batman66
You still have to come through to get an RBI, you don't automatically get one becuase the guy ahead of you gets on base.
He's hitting .310 for the season with runners in scoring position
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