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    • Keep the Faith
  • 4/8/12
  • ThePuck
I like your optimism...but you're post is about to get slammed hard.
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  • 4/8/12
  • vcvc
It's not so much that they lost, it's how they lost. They looked completely overmatched against an Orioles team that has been a bottom feeder for over a decade and are again destined for the A.L. East basement. Dreadful pitching, poor defense, poor fundamentals, anemic hitting and just a look of being totally unprepared.
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  • 4/8/12
  • ewen21
And if I had two balls I'd be king said the queen.
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  • 4/8/12
  • ThePuck

44 of the Orioles losses last year were in the division

So, 28-44 in the Al East....7-11 in inter-league. That's 35-55

Their record against Al West and Al Central: 34-38. They aren't as bad as people think...but people look at the win-loss records and say MAN they stink. They look at the ERA and say MAN that pitching is bad...forgetting how any times that pitching has to face NYY, Boston and Toronto offenses...and all in pitcher's parks too

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  • 4/8/12
  • vcvc
Fair enough. I just know that when we were winning division titles we had no problems with the Orioles. They are probably better than most give them credit for because of the division they play in, but they aren't a team that should thoroughly dominate you.
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  • 4/8/12
  • ThePuck
I don't dispute that...IMO, you're right on the money...
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  • 4/8/12
  • colport
Wait until they get back home. Things should improve. They are capable of scoring six runs a game. This Willingham is no slouch. Once the two M'S get hot, watch out!
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  • 4/8/12
  • 4thstreet
Have you watched this team the past couple of seasons colport? Mauer and Morneau are afraid of Target Field. They are worse batting at home than on the road. But it matters little for Mauer since he couldn't hit a HR standing on second base, anyway.
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  • 4/8/12
  • TwinsUK
Really? Maybe it will reach the 100 this year
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  • 4/8/12
  • ThePuck

In the first year at TF, Morneau's batting line was .316/.427/.487
Mauer's was: .315/.406/.406.

Those are when they were playing healthy...and those numbers don't seem so bad for such a 'pitcher's park' we keep being told TF is

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  • 4/8/12
  • TwinsUK
dominated by a poor team, it doesnt auger well,
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  • 4/9/12
  • Coke13
Sadly, I have to agree with your assessment, from what I was able to watch of the series. We made the Orioles look a lot better than they are. Morneau looked pretty good at the plate, but Mauer's AB I saw were not inspirational. Bullpen could be really grim, and the starting staff is in disarray or hurt. Tough way to start a year, but I am going to try to stay a bit optimistic anyway. Did not see Marquis pitch at all this spring. Has he looked decent at all?
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  • 4/9/12
  • flatwinsfan

Although I COMPLETELY disagree with the OP's assessment of the Twins, their potential, and the opponent on this first weekend, I will say this: The starting pitching wasn't as bad as I expected. The O's do have a few offensive weapons, and although a couple did savage the pitchers, I thought they did a credible job keeping the score down.

Perceptive readers will note that I did not say "Keeping them in the game." That's because, like Walter Johnson's pre-Twin Senators of about a hundred years ago, this Twins team is only in the game if the opposing team scores 0 runs.

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  • 4/9/12
  • Auto7

You know, more than the losses (which i expect to come and come in droves this season; the team isnt really good enough.) I'm concerned about the WAY we're losing.

It's like some break happens to go against us and instead of buckling down and saying "hey lots of game to go, lets work together, and make something happen." its more of a "God not again" thing. I just get the sense that they get afraid of failing. "What if i strikeout, what if i hit into a double play" instead of reaching down inside and saying "you know what, what if i do well? What if i'm excellent in this scenario? well i've been an athlete my entire life and i know that i'm at this level because i can succeed, and i'm going to go up there swinging to hit the ball hard somewhere." STaying within themselves but at the same time, going about their business in a determined and confident measure consistently.. Like what the yankees do. That's what separates the twins from the yankees. It's not the payroll. There's a talent gap but even in 2010 when the twins were playing DEAD EVEN with the yankees all season, and 2009 too. The twins would get up and they'd start wondering how they'd lose the game. The yankees just went to work on teh task of getting the lead back. The yankees are predators. The twins are prey. The twins dont prey on mistake pitches. When they get a pitch up, they'll swing and maybe something good will happen but all too often, they are content to sit there, or content to not go after the pitch and swing hard. The yankees go for the jugular on the mound, the twins nitpick to death. The twins try to make the yankees get themselves out. Well they're being paid all that money because they dont do that. You have to ATTACK. You attack the baseball when you're hitting, you attack the baseball in the field, you attack the baseball on the mound. You go AT your opponents. you dont bring them to you. you bring YOU to them. Twins are too timid. If they start attacking opponents, we've all seen it. 2006, 2008 late, 2009, they are super tough to beat.

One bad thing happens to them and they just totally shrivel up. Like Liriano. He gave up a total FLUKE homer to Adam Jones (not that he's a bad hitter, just that was a good pitch and it shouldnt have gone where it did) and instead of buckling down he got all panicked and started throwing balls to the next guy. Mauer calme dhim down but then the next inning he got a runner on again and all heck broke loose. And that's what happens to the team too. One bad break and they go into their shells. One error. Errors happen. One rough luck double play, one ball that is scorched but at someone. One strike three that's called ball 2 and then the next pitch is a single and then NOTHING goes right for them for a week or more. and when something like that happens for them, then they start attacking again. and they'll get on a roll for a week or so. ... then an error happens and it comes crashing down again and instead of shaking it off after one game, they sit on it. or they dont get urgent about it and fix the issue, they just panic. This series it was Markakis going opposite field off pavano early. That was IT, twins shriveled up, quit and went home aside from Morneau and willingham..

Mental midgets and they're not going to win much until that gets fixed.

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  • 4/9/12
  • colport
They have not been well the last few years. Mauer has been in a lot of pain, and if he can play first base a good share of the time he should produce quite regularly. We all know about Morneau's problems, but it looks like he has recuperated. His presence in the lineup will help Mauer's offense. Rod Carew was not a great home run hitter, but look what he did for the Twins.
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  • 4/9/12
  • colport
You never know.
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  • 4/9/12
  • colport
I realize you are frustrated, but it is still very early. We need to wait for the Twins homestand and see what happens- then we can better evaluate this team. With a healthy Mauer and Morneau the Twins will be a much better team than last year. When you have two super stars in the lineup you make everyone better. Once Mauer gets his timing down he will be dangerous. We already know what a healthy Morneau can do- hit home runs and drive in runs. The attack mode of a team may depend upon the manager, and if Ron Gardenhire cannot motivate the Twins to develop this mentality then maybe they should make a change. Liriano has been known to not listen to the pitching coach, and they may have to deal him and get someone they can coach. I believe the Twins will be all right. Willingham is a better hitter than what some think.
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  • 4/9/12
  • thepumpman
Ewen..............you're such a D ! c k............LOL
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  • 4/9/12
  • 4thstreet
Neither Mauer or Morneau can hit HR at Target Field. Mauer has one career HR at Target Field. That one HR bounced off the top of the fence and went over. Morneau had 4 HR in 2010 before getting the concussion and I believe one HR there last season. Zero power at home. ZERO!
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  • 4/9/12
  • vcvc
Meanwhile I bet Pujols puts 2 or 3 into the seats this upcoming series in our "pitchers park."
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