Like I said, he's nowhere near the player Ryno was.
My point in using him is he's a guy that improved once he was in the majors and his minor league stats had not been overwhelming.
A poster in this thread said he WILL NOT IMPROVE because his minor league stats indicate he won't ......thats a load of cr*p to say thats certain.

Again, I'm not claiming Barney to be an all star , or even our future at 2b , just saying I'll give him another year before I even attempt to make a judgement on him.

No, that is simply not true. He showed MUCH more promise than Barney ever did.

Not a huge difference in age and my point was players can improve off minor league stats.
My whole point was trying to prove a guy near or in his mid 20's career isn't already set because of what his minor league numbers had been.

I think Barney could improve his batting average and maybe some doubles power, and he could steal you 10-15 bases , he's never going to hit for any real power or be an all star .

<<Not a huge difference in age>>

in what they accomplished at 22? At 26? man, i'd say it doesn't GET much "huger", lol

2 years is a huge difference at that age. Ryno was dominating AA at the same age that Barney was struggling along in A ball.

Like I said , my point wasn't to compare them, I know he'll never approach what Ryno was.
My point in using Ryno was you can't determine what a guy will be off his minor league numbers and players in their mid 20's actually CAN improve off what their career minor league path was showing.
I just threw Ryno's rookie line up there because in those three categories they are very similar, thought that was interesting.
I know they had always said Ryno will develope power, Barney is a definate no in that aspect.

Ryno's path was showing much better than you are giving him credit for.

I know that, just saying he improved upon what his minor league track record was.
A poster in this thread pretty much stated thats an impossible thing to do for a guy who is 25 and I don't agree with that.

No, he really didn't. His AA year showed MUCH MORE than Barney ever has at ANY level.

Has Barney even played a 2nd season yet or a game at age 26?
Again not saying he's the second coming.
Just saying I personally have to give ANY player atleast 2-3 seasons before I can say he can't improve from what he did as a rookie, no matter what age he is.

It is VERY unlikely that he will be much better than what he was as a minor league player.

The age curve is real. The idea that there are several players that have defied it simply isn't true.

11 hr .310 .872 is dominating AA?

"Well offense is much more important than defense so who cares if he is average on defense. "

Wrong, unless you are talking about FANTASY baseball or the silly DH rule.
Defense is huge.

An .872 OPS at age 20 in AA? Yes, that is dominating. Name me all the players that were doing that at age 20.

It could be the case, I personally don't ever say that after just a rookie season and minor league numbers.
Like I said I'm not even saying he's our future at 2b.
I don't see him doing anything more than maybe some more doubles, maybe a better average and increasing his SB totals.
He's a decent defender and a pretty good baserunner and shows some actual baseball smarts, something this team could use more of.
I wish he'd hit with a little more authority, that would be nice but to me he's servicable until something better comes along.

I would say we move on as soon as possible.

Not quite your criteria you asked for , Just off the top of my head I picked Ronald Torreyes who is only 19 and only has seen A ball ....

.935 ops after 2 pro seasons

He would be a candidate to replace Barney, I agree.

I wouldn't be upset at all if he's not starting this year.
My whole point to this was not to just use power numbers like OPS and not to say a guy can't improve off his minor league numbers just because he was a rookie at 25.

What is the average age for rookies that stick in the majors that played college ball?