My opinion?? Zimmerman assumed that Martin was not innocent. Here are Zimmerman's words.
"This guy looks like he is up to no good or he is on drugs or something." "these a--holes, they always get away"
last year I saw a car parked in front of my house at 2am and a guy just standing outside smoking. I assumed he was up to no good and rushed outside, as soon as I got outside,the car sped off. the next day I noticed the propane tank of my grill that is on my deck was missing.
I may have been wrong to try to confront them and it could have turned violent. they were not on my property when i saw them, just in front of it,but I knew they were up to no good. I guess i was wrong to try to confront them since I am not a police officer ,but I still assumed they were up to no good, was I wrong to act? or was I acting bad to try to confront them?
As for who was on top of who, there is not consistent witness testimony. So the argument that Martin was on top of Zimmerman is up for debate.
A 13-year-old boy walking his dog saw a man on the ground shortly before the shooting and identified him as wearing red. His mother later disputed the testimony and claimed that the police pressured him into choosing what color the man was wearing, and that her son couldn't see any details in the dark. She also stated that the police waited five days before requesting to even question her son and said the police told her they didn't believe the shooting was self-defense.
Mary Cutcher and her roommate, Selma Mora Lamilla, appeared on AC 360 and Cutcher stated that she believes "there was no punching, no hitting going on at the time, no wrestling" just prior to the shooting, and admitted that she neither saw the shooting nor the preceding altercation. Cutcher and her roommate heard the pair in their backyard and a "very young voice" whining, with no sounds of a fight. They heard a gunshot; the crying stopped immediately, and they saw Zimmerman on his knees straddling Martin on the ground. Mary Cutcher phoned police after the fatal shooting and said the black man was standing over another man, although Trayvon Martin was already dead. According to the Orlando Sentinel article, "Police spokesman Sgt. Dave Morgenstern [on March 15] issued a statement disputing Cutcher's version of events, calling her statements to WFTV "inconsistent with her sworn testimony to police." However, Cutcher and her roommate maintain that their account of the incident to the police did not agree with Zimmerman's, and they demanded the police retract that incorrect statement.
On March 29, 2012, an eyewitness referred to as a male said that he saw two men on the ground scuffling, then heard the shooting, and saw Zimmerman walk away with no blood on him. The witness later appeared on CNN AC360 referred to as a female, giving more details on her account. She pointed out that she heard an argument between a younger and an older voice. The whole time she witnessed the incident the scuffling happened on the grass. She said that the larger man, who walked away after the gunshot, was on top, and that it was too dark to see blood on his face.
this is the only eyewitness acct I find when I google. other eyewitnesses heard the scuffle,but didn't see it.
....................................An alleged eyewitness is backing the 28-year-old gunman at the center of a national firestorm. A person named “John” told a Fox affiliate in Orlando that he saw an altercation unfold between George Zimmerman and 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, whom he shot and killed on Feb. 26. Police said Zimmerman called 911 and described Martin as “suspicious.” The two scuffled, and Trayvon wound up dead from a single bullet from Zimmerman’s licensed 9mm semiautomatic, authorities say. “The guy on the bottom, who I believe had a red sweater on, was yelling to me, ‘Help, help.’ I told him to stop, I was calling 911,” John told the TV station. Zimmerman was wearing red.
“When I got upstairs and looked down, the person that was on top beating up the other guy was laying in the grass. And I believe he was dead at that point,” the eyewitness claimed.
Mary Cutcher and her roommate, Selma Mora Lamilla, appeared on AC 360 and Cutcher stated that she believes "there was no punching, no hitting going on at the time, no wrestling" just prior to the shooting, and admitted that she neither saw the shooting nor the preceding altercation................
right, this is not an eyewitness. she BELIEVES ,but didn't see anything. so to use her really is irrelevent.
>>My opinion?? Zimmerman assumed that Martin was not innocent. Here are Zimmerman's words. "This guy looks like he is up to no good or he is on drugs or something." "these a--holes, they always get away"
There is a huge difference between suspecting somebody of a crime and convicting somebody of a crime. I'm not sure how else I can explain this.
A 13-year-old boy walking his dog saw a man on the ground shortly before the shooting and identified him as wearing red. His mother later disputed the testimony and claimed that the police pressured him into choosing what color the man was wearing, and that her son couldn't see any details in the dark.............
right, I heard there was a second eyewitness to back up zimmerman's version. this may be the person. so we have two that intiailly said it was zimmerman on the ground. strange that the mother believes it untrue even she is not there. she just knows the boy got it wrong because she FEELS the police are trying to taint the witness?
>>As for who was on top of who, there is not consistent witness testimony. So the argument that Martin was on top of Zimmerman is up for debate.
I agree. Just like most of this case is still up for debate, that's why i don't get all the people on here saying they know 100% that zimmerman is guilty/innocent.
Only 2 people know for certain and one of them is dead. We have to wait until all the evidence is shown, etc. and then make a judgement based on that.
On March 29, 2012, an eyewitness referred to as a male said that he saw two men on the ground scuffling, then heard the shooting, and saw Zimmerman walk away with no blood on him. The witness later appeared on CNN AC360 referred to as a female, giving more details on her account. She pointed out that she heard an argument between a younger and an older voice. The whole time she witnessed the incident the scuffling happened on the grass. She said that the larger man, who walked away after the gunshot, was on top, and that it was too dark to see blood on his face.....................
right, the larger man on top. the boy is 6'3 and zimmerman is 5'9? the weights actually are similar, I think zimmerman is 160 and the boy 140. so who is the 'larger'?
so this witness at first is a male and later a female? I posted the eyewitness that said the one in red was on the ground. you posted another eyewitness that confirmed the one in red was on the ground (the mother says the boy is wrong,how she knows I don't know).
anyway, let the evidence come out in trial and we will see. If zimmerman did in fact attack this boy,then he should be in prison and the judge should have set the bail at a million for such a serious crime. that he set it at 150k after looking at this evidence makes me wonder what he is thinking.
I agree. Just like most of this case is still up for debate, that's why i don't get all the people on here saying they know 100% that zimmerman is guilty/innocent...........
even hal's own witness he shows says it was zimmerman on the bottom. the dispute is with the mother of the witness that just knows her son was wrong in saying zimmerman was on the bottom. she thinks the police made her son lie,, how does she know this?
I was asking that question in realtion to the point he dcided to punch Zimmerman, at that point I doubt he knows he had a gun. You said some guy was chasing him with a gun .....technically if he was chased yes a man with a gun was chasing him, but the gun wasn't drawn like you made it sound.
As has been reported, Zimmerman told police officials that he lost sight of Martin and went around a townhouse to see where he was. Then he claimed Martin confronted him and punched him, knocking him down. According to source, Zimmerman told police that when he was on the ground, Martin straddled him, striking him, and then tried to smother him.
Zimmerman claimed that he yelled for help, and that various neighbors who peered out to see the fight from their backyards didn’t get involved. Zimmerman, the source said, told officers he was so paralyzed by fear that he initially forgot he had a gun, but he said that after Martin noticed his 9mm pistol, Zimmerman pulled it out of his belt holder and fired one round, a hollow-point—the round that killed Martin. (The autopsy report on Martin has not yet been released.)
You can't be this dense Frida.
You honestly can't put this together, and you think it's just over skin color?
A rash of robberies in the community , 8 of them in the last year , all of them commited by "young black males", some were caught, some were seen at the scene and not caught.
So try to follow me on this , read it slow and over and over until something clicks upstairs.......
He wasn't suspicious of him just because his skin was black, he was supsicious of him because the crimes had been commited by the SAME type of person and you have somebody also walking around in the rain at night just looking around.There is no crime in doing what Martin was doing, but who knows maybe he was casing out some houses, he had been found with womans wedding bands and burglary tools in the past so it's not out of the question he wasn't just craving some skittles was it?
So again, for the 50th time with you, .........It's not the color of the skin, it's the actions of people with the color of the skin that had him on alert.If the robberies had been done by young asian woman I'm sure he'd be just as suspicious if he saw one walking around in the rain who he didn't recognize as being part of the community.