That's the problem with the current definition of a quality start. It's meaningless.
I also really doubt if the players feel like being down 2 or 3 runs means the game is over. If felt that way, I'd turn off the game at that point. Haven't missed an inning yet this year. Look at all the games we've lost by one run this year. It ain't over until it's over.
I think pitchers have enough to think about. I think they have their job to do and hitters have a job to do. You can't dwell on what your teammates are doing or not doing. You really don't have control over that. Only what you're doing, or it will eat you up and you won't be able perform.
Is this true of every pitcher? Of course not. But for the good ones, I'd say it's true.
Lack of run support certainly was noticed by Santana. When he finally started a game in which the offense was NOT shut out, what did he do in the dugout each inning? He danced through the dugout holding up both hands and pointing his fingers straight up to show how many runs his team had scored so far.
Anyone who watched that game from home and was staring at the TV at the right time could see that.
It was funny. :)
I saw that!
Ervin was having more fun than probably any other game I've seen him in.
"That's the problem with the current definition of a quality start. It's meaningless"^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I completely agree. When a pitcher goes 9 innings giving up 4 runs isn;t credited with a QS but a pitcher going 6 and giving up 3 is. something is wrong.
6 innings giving up 3 = 4.50 ERA.
9 innings giving up 4= 4.00 ERA.
Other than that, IMO, a 4.00 or 4.50 ERA is not quality.
< When a pitcher goes 9 innings giving up 4 runs isn;t credited with a QS >
That depends, a "quality start" is pitching 6 innings and giving up 3 runs or less. So a pitcher can give up 4 runs or 100 and as long as he pitched 6 innings and only allowed 3 or less its a "quality start". I think the "quality start" is one of those "statistics" made up by some pitcher's agent simply to hype how "good" his client is.
I also really doubt if the players feel like being down 2 or 3 runs means the game is over.>>>
This team seems to. Not many examples of it NOT being over this season.
>>I think the "quality start" is one of those "statistics" made up by some pitcher's agent simply to hype how "good" his client is.<<
Nah, it's more banal than that. Just like the "save" stat and most other ill thought out metrics, the QS was made up by a sportswriter who didn't think it through all the way. Then other sportswriters who can't think things through all the way glommed onto it and there you go.
I think they thought it through more than you think.
It's different today, but a team won about 70% of the time a pitcher threw a quality start. By definition... that's a quality start.