Right, so out of 52 games this year he has seven losses. As a reliever who is a set up guy, or a face the lefty guy, IMO, seven losses is a pretty good sample size. And four times he got the win. Well you call it what you want and I'll call it what I want and we'll agree to disagree!

Who would you want setting up the game instead, and who do you want closing (b/c I'm guessing you don't like Reed either)?

Wait until there is a larger sample size of Brett Myers, then you will complaining about him as well.

Relief pitching wins and losses mean very little.

Cliff Politte had 7 or 8 wins in relief in 2005.

Brett Myers= 0-5! Everyone is bad.

Your opinion doesn't matter. For anyone who knows stats, it is too small of a sample size. Even if you think for some reason that his record is of importance, if you want to use stats, you have to acknowledge the sample size.

Glad to see how you stand. LOL!

Reliever W-L is pretty much meaningless.

That's your opinion! Some others thinks it has meaning.

I agree. Arguably the most important statistic when I am doing my calculations.

And why he became available!

Bruce Sutter's W-L 68-71

Bad at baseball!

irrelevant for this discussion. Nice try! Apples and oranges.

I watch games, I don't spend time on a computer calculating the play in the game! I just watch! And most of the time I watch I don't like Thornton's pitching. That's me. You won't change that with stats!

<I calculate this shit for a living and I'm telling you that wins/losses is the most important stat.

Enter that in a word file and save it!

Always a good stance to take. Why let things like reality impact your feelings and emotions.

So who on this team would you rather come in to pitch?

That's ok! I'll watch the games.

I'm agreeing with you. Why do you not understand this.

I agree, why go back and rehash moments that are already over. I live for the day. Carpe-diem

That's such a bad argument.

Do you really think people who use statistics (why that word is such a scary word to some people is beyond me) don't watch the games?

I think most people know that Thornton has struggled in some games this year. But he's not been the albatross that you and others suggest he's been.

And complaining about his W-L record is assinine. Wins and losses for starters has been shown to be much more a team dependent stat in evaluating starting pitchers. Look at Felix Hernandez's Cy Young from a couple of years ago.

Its even more meaningless for relief pitchers. It has way more to do with luck and timing than being a fair evaluation of a pitcher.

If you value a pitcher based on his wins or losses, you're valuing him incorrectly. That's not opinion. That's fact.