I agree that a recent HOF'er may have more credibility, and may have a more receptive audience, than a fire and brimstone dude like Dallas Green who was a marginal player.

I also think it's a plus that he has worked with so many of the players at the AAA level, that we will probably have to depend on (for awhile, anyway).

If Charlie is staying until 2013 is over, and if I had to pick someone to replace him in 2014, I can't imagine who else I'd rather have that would be available.

thanks for the update

You so crazy, man.

I really hope we don't have another year of Charlie as manager

maybe you should not watch the phillies like the eagles if charlie is the manager next year...you could have a ton of time on your hands...haha

I wish no ill will on Charlie and I'll always be very fond of him, I just think they'd be a better team going in another direction

and thats only 16 sundays that the Eagles effect me and I golf, work, take the kids out, etc.....I don't have that much of a social life to fill 162 games :-)

"- I don't think Charlie is in trouble; he hasn't had a "full deck" all season."

Ummmmm...... (LOL) I can't believe Salisbury phrased it quite that way. (I believe your quote, I'm just surprised he said it THAT way) It sounds like, "Charlie's not playing with a full deck."

Perhaps a double-entendre? (LOL!!)

You've gotta be sh*tting me.

The GM held a closed door meeting with a pitcher heading to free agency because the "season is on the brink"???

They're rushing Doc back???

Charlie is going to manage another season AFTER this disaster???

At what point do they pull their heads out of their collective rears?

Charlie's never had a full deck.

Ryno may not wait, but remember, he's been passed over a few times already..he may not have any choice but to wait...if he wants to manage..

Id like to see Charlie and the whole staff removed after the season, with possible exception of Dubee.This team is beyond fundamentally flawed, things arent going to change with this manager and staff.He could be fired, but Im not confident of that..its a conservative organization, and loathe to fire someone with Charlie's track record..I will never forget David Montgomery's comments after firing Ed Wade, he all but blamed mounting public pressure,and acted as if , if left up to him, he may not do it..I can see 3 scenarios that could possibly could force Charlie out..1) a disastrous last place finish, and ownership pressures Monty, 2) a situation where Charlie decides he doesnt like "lame duck" managerial status, and seeks an extension, (I realize he said just one more year, but many a manager ha said that and changed his mind)3) Ruben and Charlie clashing..or Charlie just tiring of the entire situation..

Id like to see Sandberg, new coaches, and a plethora of new faces next year in camp, competition for jobs, and an emphasis on fundamental baseball..I really think this team has totally tuned Charlie out, and pays scant attention, thus the many lifeless performances.. all managers are hired to be fired and have a shelf life..

I hear ya.

The Lehigh Valley team is good at moving runners over by using bunts, situational hitting, hit and run and some stolen bases. They play much more as team than the Phillies are right now and looking at their roster on paper they should not be in first place. Their offense is not great but they take advantage of their chances to score.

After five division titles, two pennants, and a World Series trophy, you don't get let go the year after a 102 win season. Regardless of how bad it is. If Charlie retires, that's one thing. But I don't see how it's possible for Charlie's job to be on the line. And apparently, everybody following the team feels the same way. If Charlie wants to manage the Phillies in 2013, he will. There's nothing more or less to say about it.

I've always thought that he would retire after this year, to make way for Sandberg. Who I don't trust even a little bit for the fact that was mentioned earlier about him being routinely passed over for management jobs. Simply put, if the Chicago Cubs didn't want him then what does that tell you? They are a bad organization right now, but they're not brain-dead.

He should have been let go after the 2010 season.

so he should have been fired after taking the team to 4 straight division titles?

his contract ran through 2011, correct, so we are saying he should have been fired after 2010?

do you think he will be back next year and do you think he should be???

i dont believe he will be fired, i believe if he wants to be back he will be.

as far as if he should, i dont know, its really tough to say. many say he doesnt have the talent on the field right now to win, if thats the case, does he deserve to be fired? id say no. now, if you want to make change to make change, then it would start there. so basically, no i dont think he "should be" fired.

That tells me their dumb. The Cubs passed up Sanberg and instead went with Dale Sveum.Dumb move. However it could be dumb luck if Sanberg manages the Phillies in a year. I'm not as much down on Charlie Manuel as most people on this board. He's had a great run,but now he's starting to wear out his welcome. I blame Amaro more. A manager can look pretty dumb sometimes when he does'nt have the right players.

Yes, I feel he should have been gone after 2010. The 2009 WS was poorly managed, but winning the year before made losing "not as bad". Then, 2010 ended in very disappointing fashion. THAT was the time to make a move with the manager, show that there was some accountability, shake things up a bit, and avoid the complacency (which has set in).

sorry, i just cant agree that he should have been fired after 2010, just cant.

not renewed last year and brought back after 2011, ok, maybe, but cant see firing after 4 straight divisions and two world series appearances.