You said you were staying away, That said I posted position by position NOT player by player because the Gnats like the Mets have fielded a number of different OFs.

You can not dispute the facts so you turn to name calling?

Look it up for yourself, ESPN.com, Sortable team Stats, By position.

you really are reaching i see. what about now? both teams have their starters, except nats dont have their catcher. mets offense stinks, nats have exploded since getting their 2 starting OF back. wright stops carrying team, offense drops.

That wasn't the criteria was it? What was said was the starting eight. The fact that Werth and Morse were injured has nothing to do with whether the Mets have anyone better on the roster, which they don't.

But since you insist on making ludicrous statements I'll just point out that you stated the Mets had an advantage in center field when there is not a person in baseball on any level from little league to the majors who would claim the Mets have better options in center than Bryce Harper.

Firs tthe offense was not smoke and Mirrors>>>>

a .300 team avg with risp/2 out is just that. thats what carried offense in first half. no way that could have held up. plus wright being a part of 25% of the runs in first half once wright starting coming back down, so did offense.

Again Defense has not been that bad the numbers show that, Fielding % .982, The best is .987, All the others fall in at .983, .984 or .985 so ours is really no worse then most of the NL.

When you say not alot of power you should say not a lot of HR power, Mets are third in the league in doubles which is also POWER, We may only have 102 HRS (keeping in mind Bay was suppose to help with this) League average in HRS is 116, If Bay contributed even 20 we would be right there in HRS, That said we are 19 doubles ahead of leaguge average, So what we lack in HRs we make up for in doubles, Our overall SLG % is middle of the league at 10th, ANd we hit in a pitchers park,

Away from what I have sharted to call Chitifield we are 3rd in Runs, And have the fifth best SLugging %, Tied for 3rd best AVG, Third most Hits and lead the league in Doubles.

That said our pen is garbage.

Just because we may use kids at two of the OF spots does not mean they wont be good.

Saying Wheeler will be up mid-season is a stretch and he may struggle. Sad to say, but we will probably only be a couple of games better next year than we we this year.

Again Defense has not been that bad the numbers show that, >>>>

you do watch the games right? duda was awful in RF. valdy isnt good in the OF. torres is at best average. newey was the only one that looked really good. using errors as a defense for the defense isnt a good way.

I also gave the fielding %

First off asking about typos? Really? I know you are a Met fan but the whole spelling thing is reserved for trolls when they get beat on the facts.

That said I did not jusat use Errors you are ignoring the fact that I also added Fielding % which also showed we were not as bad as many here want to make it seem.

As far as speed yes doubles are a factor of speed and power, If you dont know this then you should not be debating.

OK, I have not found any stats on scoring from second on a single, Are you using any site for that or just what you remember?

That said a guy like Bourn would help out in that area, And if Duda can figure it out he would help address the HR power.

"Just because we may use kids at two of the OF spots does not mean they wont be good."

True. But there is much more of a chance of them being bad or mediocre. If this team was even slightly functional we would get a FA outfielder.

fielding % is the same thing as errors basically. whoever has the more errors has a lower fielding %.
also those little percentage points that we are behind other teams is actually a lot because of the sample size. every team has a couple thousand chances so each error isn't going to take that much off. and besides these are not the only way to judge a teams fielding. outfielders rarely get called for errors but duda and torres have been brutal this year in the OF but that isn't in the stat sheet.

and no doubles do not translate to speed. that's ridiculous. any ball in the gap is a double. its why a guy like pujols has so many of them. he isn't fast at all. he just is a good hitter.

not going off stats.
Just remember seeing alot of players getting held and thinking a faster player scores on that easily.
Torres and Valdy are our only fast players really.
Wright, Bay, Tejada, Baxter have decent speed.

Fielding % is meaningless and does nothing to highlight a bad defensive OF with no range. Any ML player can catch a ball hit to him

I also gave the fielding % >>>

so. that doesnt show how many pop ups fell in that a good OF would have caught. or how many hits got to the wall that shouldnt have. or how many runners took an extra base because of weak OF arms. plus plays that are scored a hit when they really were errors.

If we assume all those RBI came while playing the OF lets do the math,

142 RBI right?

You posted 44 for Morse, 37 for Harper, 20 for Werth, 19 for Moore and 22 for Bernadina that is by my math 142

I posted

LF
AVG .225/.230
Runs 61/52
RBI 59/53

Advantage Mets

CF
AVG .247/.266
Runs 66/62
RBI 51/47

Advantage Mets

RF
AVG .249/.260
Runs 58/66
RBI 57/55

So 53+47+55 = 155

So my RBI are actually higher then what you posted, But very close,

You actually missed a number of guys who got a handfull of games in the OF

Stephen Lombardozzi 39 games in LF
Mark DeRosa 9 games in LF 6 in RF
Xavier Nady 24 gamesCF
Rick Ankiel 62 games in CF 15 in RF

So there are the others you missed, But not sure why you would act like my numbers are crazy when your own numbers proved me right.

All very fair and not really a stretch.

My numbers are from the STARTING outfielders, which was exactly what I stated originally.

Just answer this very simple question. Which outfielder on the Mets 40 man roster would start ahead of either Morse, Harper or Werth?

Just give me a name.