In response to this Yankee poster on the Angels MLB site, who posted:
"Look, fact is, half the Yankees roster right now is HOME GROWN. The Yankees are sending money to franchises like the royals and pirates to try and compete" I responded:ARod, Texeira, Sabathia, Burnett, Damon all were bought and paid huge, record setting contracts. Matsui was bought; Swisher was traded for and developed by Oakland. The only productive "homegrown" players are Jeter, Posada (marginally productive) and Rivera all of which were developed many years ago.
The Yankees are baseball's prostitutes. They develop no one, their farm systems a joke. They just outspend everyone else, almost twice as much as the Angels.
New York Yankees $201,449,189 New York Mets $149,373,987 Chicago Cubs $134,809,000 Boston Red Sox $121,745,999 Detroit Tigers $115,085,145 Los Angeles Angels $113,709,00 Philadelphia Phillies $113,004,046 Houston Astros $102,996,414 Los Angeles Dodgers $100,414,592
On the other hand, the Angels are major league's model for how an organization should be built. Their entire infield is homegrown, Morales, Kendrick, Itzuris, Aybar, Figgins, Napoli and Mathis. No less than four key starters grew up in the organization, Lackey, Saunders, Weaver and Santana as well as key relievers Jepsen and Bulger. Yes, they mix in a few free agents but the core is homegrown and they are perennial playoff contenders and 2002 world champions plus we eliminated the Yankees in 2002 and 2005 playoffs.
The Yankees would not even make the playoffs without ARod, Texeira, Sabathia, Burnett and Damon but the Angels would have without Hunter and Vlad. The fact that they missed the playoffs last year and haven't won a World Series since 2000 indicates how truly under-achieving this team really is, certainly nothing to be proud of.
Angels take game 5 on Thursday.
The Yankees traded for A-Rod. Sure he opted out of his contract, but he came crawling back to the Yankees.
The Angels have their fair share of bought players too.
Cano is homegrown.You might not call Melky productive, but he's in the lineup, and he knocked in 4rbis today, I don't mind him on the team. People wouldn't mind having a Bret Gardner on their team, look at the Twins and Carlos Gomez.
Hughes, Joba, Aceves etc make a pretty good bullpen. You don't think that's productive?
Farm system is a joke? What about Juan Rivera? Alfonso Soriano? Nick Johnson?
"Yes, they mix in a few free agents but the core is homegrown and they are perennial playoff contenders and 2002 world champions plus we eliminated the Yankees in 2002 and 2005 playoffs."
Their Core?
Sorry the Angel's Core Revolves around Vlad, and it has been that way for a LONG time.Jeter,Posada, Rivera make up the core and it revolves around them more than the Angel's homegrown players.
"New York Yankees $201,449,189 "Yea and a good majority of that is spent on homegrown players.
"The Yankees would not even make the playoffs without ARod, Texeira, Sabathia, Burnett and Damon but the Angels would have without Hunter and Vlad."
The Angels would not be in the playoffs if it were not for Juan Rivera, Bobby Abreu, Vlad, Hunter, Brian Fuentes.Now go cry in your pillow, while we take game 5.
Okay.....first........I take exception to your "homegrown" argument.........
"The only productive "homegrown" players are Jeter, Posada (marginally productive) and Rivera all of which were developed many years ago. "
Andy Pettitte was "developed" in the same farm system that Produced Jeter, Posada(Much More Productive in this series than Torii Hunter), the Great Mariano...and then, years later..........
...Our Starting Center Fielder, Melky Cabrera, not the prettiest player, but very productive last night....(Player of the game next to CC!)...........Starting 2nd Baseman Robbie Cano.........a .320 average for the 3rd time.....and All of our Current Bullpen is HomeGrown, except for Damaso Marte, our Spot Lefty....Joba, Coke, Robertson and Aceves.......
I'll give you credit for developing a Nice Young Infield.......Aybar and Figgins are both great defensively and offensively..........!And Napoli and Mathis are both rising stars.....But Good luck convincing anyone that Any of the Angels' GOOD pitching is Homegrown!!Maybe Lackey, that's it!
Yanks in FIVE!!
<Message from a Yankees fan to an Angels fan :Hope it helps you better sleeping at night knowing that, while your atrocious hitters are hitting .201 and averaging 2 runs a game, at least they came up with your club. They might suck, but at least they're homegrown suck.
Do they golf as well as they hit?! Line em up for tee times with Barkley!
You totally ruined your credibility right from the beginning by calling Posada "marginally productive", while Jeter is the Captain of the team, Jorge is the backbone. Last season we were without him for most of the season and we missed the playoffs. His offense is underrated, and he handles the pitching staff pretty well despite what some idiots say. Look at some of the pitchers he had to work with between '04-'07, and yet they still made the playoffs.
As for our other important home grown talent, this team wouldn't be a true contender without the bullpen, most of which is homegrown - Phil Hughes, Joba Chamberlain, Phil Coke, Alfredo Aceves, Mariano Rivera.
Our 2nd baseman isn't too shabby either, hitting over .320.
As for Arod, we had to give up Alfonso Soriano who's no slouch.
Why don't you go complain on the Red Sox board? Is David Ortiz a home grown player? J.D. Drew? Jason Bay? Mike Lowell? Victor Martinez? Josh Beckett?
Do they make the playoffs without those players?
"Cano is homegrown.You might not call Melky productive, but he's in the lineup, and he knocked in 4rbis today, I don't mind him on the team. People wouldn't mind having a Bret Gardner on their team,"
Cano had a decent regular season but has been relatively unproductive in the playoffs, Melky's a joke and Brett Gardner is a glorified pinch runner. Not exactly major impact players. Your team relied upon Jeter, A-Rod and Teixeira offensively and Sabathia, Burnett and Rivera pitching wise. By the way, Yankees fans have been complaining about A-Rod and his lack of playoff success since he got there, you all wanted him traded, now all of a sudden he's Yankee royalty, typical Yankee hypocrisy.
"Hughes, Joba, Aceves etc make a pretty good bullpen. You don't think that's productive?"We lit up Joba and Aceves, Hughes is good because he's from Orange County!
"Their Core?Sorry the Angel's Core Revolves around Vlad, and it has been that way for a LONG time."
Vlad is hardly the core now, he was hurt most of the season and relatively unproductive, he won’t be re-signed which is my point, we don’t rely on free agents like you guys do to plug holes that your farm system can’t fix. (see Sabathia, Burnett and Teixeira)
"New York Yankees $201,449,189 "Yea and a good majority of that is spent on homegrown players."
Simply not true, Sabathia, Burnett, Teixeira, A-Roid and Damon are paid a huge percentage of your payroll and are not homegrown.
"The Angels would not be in the playoffs if it were not for Juan Rivera, Bobby Abreu, Vlad, Hunter, Brian Fuentes.Now go cry in your pillow, while we take game 5."
Juan Rivera and Abreu were hardly major free agent signings, they basically were castoffs by you guys and they flourished over here out of the NY spotlight.
We'll see about game 5, it’s not over yet and the Angels never quit but if you do win the series you'll still be 1 for 3 in playoff series' against the Angels this decade with an 86 million dollar higher payroll.
"Juan Rivera and Abreu were hardly major free agent signings, they basically were castoffs by you guys and they flourished over here out of the NY spotlight."
Justify it any way you may, but when the Yankees payed Abreu $16 million, it was whine worthy, but now that the Angels got him for a discount, he's suddenly not an impact player? Do you really think the Yankees could sign Abreu for $5 million? NO! Part of the reason the payroll is so big is because players and agents know they can get the big bucks from the Yankees and won't settle for anything less!
btw, when Yankees-Haters are reduced to quibbling about the payroll, that's when we know that order is being restored!
You could ask "How is it satisfying winning with such a large payroll?" Well, for one thing, it's better than hearing "BAHAHAHAHAHA..........THE BANKEES SPEND 300 BAZILLION DOLLARS AND CANT WIN!!!!!!", and secondly, it's nice to know that in a MLB that is without a salary cap, the Yankees are willing to put the revenue back into the team.
If you don't like it, take it up with MLB, not us!
"But Good luck convincing anyone that Any of the Angels' GOOD pitching is Homegrown!!Maybe Lackey, that's it!"
What are you talking about, Saunders was an all star last year 17-7 and went 16-7 this year and missed the first month. Weaver was was 16-8 with a 3.75 ERA. Lackey is proven and Santana is solid. All homegrown, how about the Yankees starting rotation.
"Cano had a decent regular season but has been relatively unproductive in the playoffs, Melky's a joke and Brett Gardner is a glorified pinch runner. Not exactly major impact players"
Says the guy who's entire team has been hitting what now with RISP? And how many hits?
"Not exactly major impact players." I guess I can say the same about Hunter, Vlad, Figgins, Abreu, Morales
"We lit up Joba and Aceves, Hughes is good because he's from Orange County!"Um no you didn't. You scored a run on Aceves... That's hardly "lighting" them up.
"Simply not true, Sabathia, Burnett, Teixeira, A-Roid and Damon are paid a huge percentage of your payroll and are not homegrown."
They make up half.
"Cano had a decent regular season but has been relatively unproductive in the playoffs"
Ask me right now who I rather have Cano or Howie Kendrick or whatever you got for 2nd base. And I'd still take Cano. If Cano has been "decent" then what is considered "good" for 2nd base? Chase Utley? What does that mean the Angels 2nd base has been? Mediocre?
Juan Rivera and Abreu were hardly major free agent signings, they basically were castoffs by you guys and they flourished over here out of the NY spotlight."
And you didn't offer Teixera what he wanted. Abreu was undercut because of the economy, not because of the type of player he is. If this was last year, Abreu would have been paid 10million+ from any organization.
My argument is this... You still wouldn't be where you are right now if you didn't buy Free Agents. I don't even see why you're complaining about Teixera, when your team offered him a big contract also.
Thanks for making my point. You just pay players more. If MLB employed a salary cap like the NBA, which would create a more even playing field for all teams to compete you'd be in the middle to lower pack of the American League and the Angels would likely be on top because of prudent and cost effective free agent signings/trades and a commitment to the farm system which is the best in the major leagues.
We sign Abreu for 5 million and get a .293 hitter with 100 plus RBI's, 90 plus runs and 30 stolen bases, I'll take that any day.
Actually, come to think of it if MLB did have a salary cap you'd be the baseball equivalent of the Knicks.
Waa, Waa, Waa, Waa, Waa, Waa, Boo Hoo, Boo Hoo, Boo Hoo. No fair, no fair, no fair.
Oh cry me a river, man up and quit your moaning. Some Angel fans are the biggest babies around.
Hope the Yanks throw them another beating on Thursday and clinch on that field, "House of Horrors" my Aunt Sally.
Nothing worse than moaners and complainers, you're a dime a dozen. I bet you were so convinced that the Angels had the Yankees number, yeah keep dreaming, every season is different, ask Arod and Sabathia about that, had enough of them as yet.
Maybe some of you Angel fans can go look at some more videos to try and discredit Yankee players, like the Hall of Famer Rivera that they so pathetically tried to smear. What a bunch of pansies in that place, Anaheim or Orange County or LA or wherever the heck it is they play. Pathetic lot.
Your revenue is generated from a huge cable deal in the nations largest media market and over-inflated ticket prices in your new stadium that no one but the rich can afford.
How can Kansas City compete with that or Minnesota for that matter which could have beat you in the first round with a few breaks, better base running and a better job by their closer.
And still the horses ar$e b!tches and moans. HATERS like you are a long line, join up and go tell it on a mountain, maybe you'll be heard there or at least find someone who gives a $hit.
10-1, nice thrashing last night. I loved every minute of it, the best part was the pan around that joint and seeing the faces of you whiny lot.
Go see if you can find video of Arod corking his bat and using steroids or CC is doctoring the baseball too, so the Angel fans can complain about it . Bunch of crybaby losers.
"How can Kansas City compete with that or Minnesota for that matter which could have beat you in the first round with a few breaks, better base running and a better job by their closer."
Easy...
The Yankees don't even have the richest owners in baseball. The Twin's owner actually has more money than the Steinbrenners, which is why they're building a new stadium.
Kansas City just spent millions making a new TV for their stadium.
How do they win?They start spending money on team. Don't tell me other teams can't afford to buy these players, because they can.
"Your revenue is generated from a huge cable deal in the nations largest media market and over-inflated ticket prices in your new stadium that no one but the rich can afford."
Gee... Why don't other teams make a cable station for their own team to watch? Over-inflated perhaps, but they still manage to fill up the stadium everyday with real fans.
The 2000 Yankee's Payroll was less than 99mil. A lot of teams spend that much nowadays. During the this offseason, you can expect the Yankee payroll to drop down from the 200mil.
The Yankees make money, but so do a lot of teams that way too.
The Yankees have more fans, and better fans than you do and the rest of the league. That's why the Yankees spend that much, because they're obligated to do the best they can do to reward the fans.
Why should we care about the Padres, who are fire-selling all their talent away, and can't keep their fans?
When I say impact players, I am talking primarily about the regular season to even get you in the playoffs.
"I guess I can say the same about Hunter (.290 plus, 22 HR's and 90 RBI's and he missed two full months), Vlad (that, I'll give you), Figgins (114 runs, 40 plus SB's hit near .300) , Abreu (.290 plus 100 plus RBI's), Morales" (.306, higher than Teixeira, 34 HR's and 106 RBI's). Oh and Teixeira was paid 19 million and Morales was paid under 1 million with comparable stats.
I'd say Kendrick against lefties and Itzuris against righties platoon would at least be equal to Cano who has been greatly helped by all the highly paid superstars around him.
The Angels are just smarter and more efficent about how we spend our money and we still have a better regular season record against you in the last 10 years.
