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See Daugherty's column. He say the Reds will spend less in 2010
than the 74m they spent last season. Also said that if the reds could draw
2.5 to 3.0 million than they could have a 100m payroll.

Horsefeathers to Mr Daugherty.

From Bill Lack at Redleg Nation:

<<Last 10 years
MLB: 8 different winners, 15 different teams of 20 available World Series slots
NFL: 7 different winners, 14 different teams of 20 available Super Bowl slots
NBA: 5 different winners, 11 different teams of 20 available NBA Finals slots
MLB has had more different teams make the World Series and win the World Series than either the NFL or NBA. >>

pog

good points, but i challenge you to look at number of teams getting into the playoffs each year, because I have a feeling baseball is still the worst in that category. Cardnials, Angels, Yankees, Red Sox...pretty cliche playoff teams.

How would you do that? No other sport <except maybe hockey> has the number of available play off slots that baseball has. That would be comparing apples and oranges.

pog

EDIT: BTW, the reason I was deriding Daugherties reasoning was that he only used 2009 as his sample size.

Did we receive the annual "Letter to the fans" this year?

Totally agree Marty....I'd guess they'll be lucky to even match this seasons numbers....or lose 10% to 15% more of their fan base, and if that happens it gonna be a sad day in Cincinnati...

2010 numbers went down to 1.75 million from 2009's 2,058,000...lost ruffly 300 thousand or 15%...

I'm thinking the opening day roster will look pretty much like the end of this seasons roster, so I'm guessing they'll lose 10% or so off this seasons final numbers.......

Just a guess, but I'll go 1.5 million in 2010......

No ........ we got a new POTUS instead.

That's a pretty sure sign that Hernandez is gone. I'm betting that Gomes will be here, though. Lord knows he's cheap enough.

Lord knows he's cheap enough.
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Cheapanatti Reds?

Roughly 300,000 fans, each spending roughly 20 dollars per ticket, roughly 20+ dollars for concessions, merchandise, ect... that adds up to ROUGHLY 12,000,000 DOLLARS, DOWN THE TOILET! That's just the direct losses.

On the other hand, a turnout of about 2,400,000, about a 600,000 increase from 2009, would result in an extra $24,000,000.00 or so in direct revenue. That would be enough to push the payrol to about $90,000,000, give or take. However, the only way to draw like that is sustained success, which just isn't probable on a 70 million dollar payrol.

That's why you invest now, then reap the benefits later. A winning season, even without playoff berth, would go a long way towards correcting those attendance numbers. That doesn't mean just throwing money at the problem, but it does mean aquiring a shortstop, building a bench, locking up the young players, and delivering a legitimate major league team.

Did you know that one of the Cincinnati minority owners, Carl Linder to be specific, is one of the nine owners in MLB called a billionaire?

whats the difference

when he was majority owner he ran the reds as a "break even at worst" business...

I'm worried as to what 2009 will do to the season ticket base. It appeared to me that, for the last couple months of the season, at least half of the attendance was from ticket holders who didn't show.

I hope they make no off season F/A acquisitions except bottom feeding 1 year deals. The knee jerk signings of the past are why they've have been lost for a decade.

<<It appeared to me that, for the last couple months of the season, at least half of the attendance was from ticket holders who didn't show.>>

its been like that for a number of years now... 2010 season tickets will naturally be down a little, but i doubt by any bigger margin than any other recent year

Did you know that the owner with the greatest net worth in MLB is Ted Lerner of Washington? Over $3B.

Billionaires owned clubs include Texas, Houston, Oakland, Cincinnati, Detroit and Atlanta - also including New York and Boston.

I just think we all need to understand how desperate our teams are to have to charge $7.00 for a beer.

It depends on how ya look at it. Why would anyone be desperate enough to PAY $7.00 for a beer?

pog

The only comment I have is that Paul doesn't work in the front office. Therefore he doesn't know for sure, anything. He is simply giving an opinion. He might be right, but he is still giving an opinion like all of us do. The reds very well could shrink the budget, but I will wait and see what gets done over the winter. I know one thing, under no circumstances would it be smart for the front office to announce its intentions at this point.

<<MLB has had more different teams make the World Series and win the World Series than either the NFL or NBA>>

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That doesn't tell the story, IMO. The story is told by payroll and media markets.

Counting St. Louis as a small baseball market (and I shouldn't, because they're in the upper echelon of payroll), only 3 of the last 10 World Series were won by small-media-market teams, while 7 of the last 10 NFL Championships were won by small-media-market teams, including Pittsburgh twice, Baltimore, Tampa, Denver, and even Indianapolis. Further, the teams that spend the most in the NFL, Washington and Dallas, rarely make it to the playoffs.

The Twins eeked out a playoff appearance the day after this year's season ended; that's the only thing that prevented a shutout of the low-payroll teams, among the eight slots possible. Further, MLB has two teams in LA and two in Chicago, compared with only one in either for the NFL.

As I size up the batting orders of the two teams in the WS this year, I am reminded in spades of how much money really does make a difference.

Sorry....... Polls have already closed. Your vote is too late to count.

Where the heII ya been? Haven't seen you around in weeks.

pog