Espn,mlb network etc etc,,,why c"mon we r in second place 2nd best bullpen in mlb,, i dont understand ,,i think
We need more fans inside the park

1. Were not a major market for ESPN.
2. The critics picked us to finish dead last, and they hate to be wrong
3. Who cares, lets keep flying under the radar and winning games!

Maybe because we are an embarrassingly terrible team? That may have something to do with it.

14 consecutive losing seasons, soon to be 15 . No consistant starting pitching, 7 of the 13 batters with BA around the Medoza line . No one hitting with RISP . Fielding about worst in baseball. Most strikeouts in baseball. Bullpen faultering due to being overworked. Going out and getting a 40 + year old as your only move. Ownership doesn't care about winning.
And you can't figure out why no one takes this Org. for real. LOL

Ya with players like Teagarden Reynolds Chavez Gregg and bad starting pitching we won't have a winning season til we get a new owner and in a couple years.

hunt, I couldn't have said it better.

WHy include Gregg in this list. he has actually pitched pretty well this season.

I have no confidence in the team because the last 4 games I have been to they have been embarrassingly bad. The game tonight was pretty awful. Buck seems to not even care anymore. Why not pinch hit for Teagarden in the 9th? Why not argue the call when the second baseman dropped the ball at second. That triple that they A's had was from Adam Jones not hustling and cutting off that ball.

Hunter can't pitch at camden yards he needs to go to oakland or san diego where those home runs will be fly outs.

"WHy include Gregg in this list. he has actually pitched pretty well this season."

Right. He has pitched remarkably well whenever the O's are up or down by a large amount of runs. There is a reason why Buck only uses him in those situations. Have you watched the Orioles at all that last couple of seasons?

so your saying no one can complain, and if they do they have to stop being fans of the team? are you saying no one can criticize this team, that the team is beyond being criticized? that just makes no sense to me. they are just expressing how they feel about how the team is playing, and they are correct in that assessment. what have they said that was false? if you can compliment a team, then you can criticize a team, it works both ways

how many have criticized the team for keeping gregg, reynolds, among others, should they keep their mouth shut? how many have complained about call ups, and demotions of certain players? should they be quiet? there's more that 1 way to criticize this team, your picking and choosing what, and how people can, who made you the criticism boss?

people have criticized dan, he's part of the team, you don't say anything about that to them, why?
people have their opinions just like you do, if you can post yours, so can they, you don't have to agree with them, but you have no right to tell them they can't, or they are not fans and must leave. instead point out where they might be wrong, give examples why you think they are wrong, stick to the points of their post, not just tell them if they don't like the team, or have no confidence in them, then leave. that says to me you have no counterpoint, all you have left is to say shut up, and leave.

Wow are you an O's fan? Keep kicking that dead mule ah? Alot of people here are quite positive about this teams current progression. Vent your anger some wheres else? Go protest at Camdem yards or better yet go the front office. If anything your making more enemies than friends.

The Orioles are the 2012 baseball seasons equivalent of Herman Cain in the Republican Primaries. Sure, he was in the lead for a few weeks, but no one seriously considered that he could get the nomination because of his major flaws. Whereas the O's have inconsitant starting pitching, bad defense, lack of timely hitting; Cain had his affairs, the fact he never held any political office, the 999 tax plan that he could never explain and that commerical with the guy smoking at the end.

The experts don't give us a chance because objective observers want a team to prove themselves through 162. We as fans want them to succeed and are looking for every validation that the team will, when a ESPN analyst, like Aaron Boone who said the O's were the AL East team in the most trouble back in June when they were still in first place, makes a statement that clearly points out the shortcoming of our team, we immediately feel that the analyst "hates Baltimore" or doesn't give us any respect. We have a "little brother" mentality here in Baltimore and that clouds our judgement when it comes to how baseball is covered. The Ravens get respect nationally because they are a perennial playoff team. Do they get the same level of respect as the Patriots or Steelers, no because those teams have won Super Bowls recently. A team that has had 13 losing seasons in a row and what most feel is a Mickey Mouse organization is not going to get respect just because they are 4 game over .500 at the end of July.

It is true that the Yanks and the Sox get more coverage on ESPN (I still don't think ESPN even recognizes that the Giants won the World Series 2 years ago), but that is not going to change unless 20 million people suddenly decide to move out of the NY and Boston Metro areas. It's frustrating, but look to MLB network for more balance. ESPN may actually give the O's a little more respect because of the connection the Baseball Tonight crew has with Buck.

The O's remind me of the Pirates from last year, which may bode well for them next year.

"so your saying no one can complain, and if they do they have to stop being fans of the team?"

No. Read my post and you can see what I said. Non stop anti-Oriole, negativity that flows from some of these people just makes me wonder what is wrong with them. I don't understand people that would devote countless hours to trash talking a team that they don't believe has a shot at doing anything. Why are they wasting their time? What are their motives? Are they just trying to make themselves feel better by bringing the die hard Oriole fans down? Everyone vents and criticizes sometimes, I'm talking about the people whose posts are 90% negative, the ones that disappear from the boards when we are winning and show back up when we a lose a game or two. I'm just saying that I don't understand what goes on in their heads.

"... I don't understand what goes on in their heads."

It's pretty scary when you try to guess... and visualize... what goes on in their heads though, isn't it?

All I know, is being the "The Criticism Boss" sounds freekin' Awesome! Is that an elected office, because I want to run.

It has something to do with the stink in the water.

I can't crawl inside the heads of those you characterize as being "anti-Orioles" and full of negativity. But, speaking from my own experience, I wonder if their behavior stems from the accumulated frustration built up over SO many seasons of poor play, poor management, and some bad luck along the way (though bad luck is hardly a phenomenon limited to the O's). I suspect the "trash talking" is more about making themselves feel better than "bringing down die-hard Orioles fans" (in most cases, anyway). Much of the negativity is not without basis, though some of us might hope to see more balanced posts and recognition of the "bigger picture," which includes positives (something you naturally try to highlight in your own comments, hunt_yanks, it would appear).

As I've said on here before, you'll always find folks who see the glass as half empty while others see it as half full. I do see this board as a place where venting and criticism can be part of the discussion--and it doesn't necessarily mean you're "anti-Orioles." Personally, I can't picture myself reading (or contributing to) a discussion board where only cheerleaders for the team are welcome--I want to see a mix of viewpoints. However, those who present only a negative view constantly and continuously not only stifle reasonable discussion, but become flat and boring rather quickly.

Right. There are two sides to every story. Just focusing on the negative side of every story is no way to go through life IMO. I don't mind reading criticism, there are times that I criticize, just look back at when we made the Reynolds trade. lol. I prefer to surround myself with moderates and not extremists, I like people that can view a subject from all angles and see both good and bad in something. For many years I would come on this board and talk to a lot of fans that were like me, frustrated by how our team has performed but hopeful of a brighter tomorrow and they were knowledgable about baseball and sabermetrics. Most of the people on here at that time used to make comments based on statistical analysis or sometimes the use of the magic 8 ball, both are good for supporting an argument IMO. lol. Many of those fans have since left with new people on the board reporting posts and threads, not because of violations but just because they proved them wrong using statistics or made them look bad by using factual information. A good example would be someone saying that this July is just like the July of 2005, I would say that this July we are 12-14 and in July 2005 we were 8-18, so it's not quite the same, it's not nearly as bad as 2005 was. They would have that post deleted because I used facts and numbers to show that they were mistaken. Their post would stand, mine would be deleted, so everyone that is unwilling to do the research would think that we are seeing 2005 all over again and that we are sure to finish 4th in the AL East because this is just some sort of replay of 2005. lol.