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    • Trade Manny Machado?
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  • 6/22/12
  • 3pickoffs

I really can't understand how there could be a constituency for a move as foolish and short-sighted as trading Machado because he's not hitting .350.

I know that comparisons will be offered about "19 year-old Bryce Harper."

Harper hit .256/.329/.395 with 3 homers and 12 RBI in 37 AA games last year.

This April, he hit .250/.333/.375 with 1 homer and 3 RBI in 20 AAA games.

Machado has hit .249/.333/.375 with 4 homers and 28 RBI in 68 AA games. Above A-ball,
Harper hit .254/.331/.388 with 4 homers and 15 RBI in 57 games.

Their minor league numbers are virtually identical in the high minors although Machado has more RBI and plays a tougher defensive position.

Did the freekin' Nats ever consider trading Harper?

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  • 6/22/12
  • mikef1889
Obviously it's the minor league stats that matter and not the talent of the players.
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  • 6/22/12
  • 3pickoffs

Clearly.

Machado is "ours" and that's prima facie evidence that he's a doofus.

Harper is "theirs," so he might as well be inducted to the HOF this week.

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  • 6/22/12
  • 2.632
Trading Machado would be a foolish move. I really don't have much else to say on the matter.
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  • 6/22/12
  • 66Bird
At the risk of attracting hostile fire I'll repeat, it's a good decision to seriously consider offers for Machado. Fully understanding he's nearly off the table, every player in the world has a price. Manny is still a works in progress and needs another two seasons on the farm. We can only speculate regarding his ceiling. If another team wants to gamble on Manny and "cough up" the appropriate proven talent why would we not consider a deal? The jury is still out a bit on the kid and after all, CALABRAMS says we have JJ Hardy under control for 6 more seasons.
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  • 6/22/12
  • braveoriole
If we make any trades, a guy I think will be traded is a player who has hit 20 or more home runs in every year of his professional career and is currently on pace to hit 20+ again this season. Brandon Waring.

Edited 6/22/12   by  braveoriole
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  • 6/22/12
  • 66Bird
Trading Machado would be a foolish move unless we find a trade partner overvaluing him and overpaying at the same time. The odds of such a negotiation are pretty slim so, we'll get to see Manny in black and orange.
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  • 6/22/12
  • 2.632

"Trading Machado would be a foolish move unless we find a trade partner overvaluing him and overpaying at the same time."

Yup, probably not going to happen either. Like you said, we'll be seeing him in black and orange.

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  • To:All
  • 6/23/12
  • 3pickoffs

"Guaranteed Hall-of-Famer" Bryce Harper went 0-4 last night against the Orioles and in his first 48 ML games he's hitting a very solid .280/.362/.495.

Harper was, of course, the #1 overall draft pick in 2010. He won't turn 20 until mid-October.

"Overhyped" Manny Machado, the #3 overall pick in that 2010 draft, is still at AA (the level at which Harper played last fall) despite being MORE THAN 3 MONTHS OLDER THAN HARPER!

While Harper was playing before a sellout crowd at Camden Yards last night for the Nats (and getting the collar), Machado labored in obscurity for Bowie going 2-4 with a double, scoring a run, and picking up another RBI.

The Orioles' 2010 1st-rounder has now played 69 games in the "high minors."
He's hit .253/.336/.381 with 4 homers and 29 RBI.

The Nationals' 2010 1st-rounder played 57 games in the "high minors."
He hit .254/.331/.388 with 4 homers and 15 RBI.

Obviously, Harper is a genuinely fabulous player and Machado is "over-hyped."

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  • 6/23/12
  • 33st.

"Trading Machado would be a foolish move. I really don't have much else to say on the matter."

My sentiments exactly. I hope that DD is not as knee jerk as some of our fan base.

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  • 6/23/12
  • righteous_leader
Machado is not putting up ARod type numbers the way the spin doctors in the front office told us he would so perhaps the right move is to deal him for a proven major league player like Mark Trumbo before he is proven to be just another overhyped Oriole prospect like we seen so many times before. now might be the best chance to sell high on him and get a big return.

Edited 6/23/12   by  righteous_leader
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  • 6/24/12
  • 2.632

"Machado is not putting up ARod type numbers the way the spin doctors in the front office told us he would "

Machado is 19 years old and doing a fine job considering his age (19) and the fact that he's playing at AA with much older players. I'm not at all worried about Manny. He's doing just what he's supposed to be doing. Once again though you show up and show how clueless you can be by making statements like you do.

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  • 6/24/12
  • 3pickoffs
I'm sorry you hate the Orioles.
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  • 6/24/12
  • 2.632
Must not have to work tomorrow huh Mike. Not used to seeing you posting this late.
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  • 6/24/12
  • 3pickoffs
We just got home from some visiting. I'll catch the game tomorrow afternoon. I started to read the game thread but got lost in a time machine. lol
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  • 6/24/12
  • 2.632
Well, as you can see the bats were left in the club house. In years past we could score runs and didn't have the pitching. Now it seems like we score in spurts and tend to leave the bats in the club house a bit to often. Jones had some encouraging words about this after the game in one of Roch's blogs.
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  • To:All
  • 6/24/12
  • drewbie24
why trade manny? why not look at Mark or wilson betemit? Nick Johnson is not really doing anything either. why trade one of our top prospects for pitching I just don`t get it I don`t and wouldn`t trade a top prospect that just poops the sails out of it.
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  • 6/24/12
  • zer0cool

To anyone being objective about this, I think it has FAR more to do with the fact that we're already loaded at short than it does his numbers at AA.

Hardy is outstanding with the glove, and has good pop in his bat (great for a short-stop, relatively), and is under 30.

Andino's natural position is short-stop... I just realized the abbreviation for this position is a dirty word in here, so I'm tortured to having to type the word in it's entirety. Great word filters in here *sarcasm intended*...

This makes Machado far more expendable than a prospect of his caliber would be otherwise. It would be myopic to just say "he's off the table", flat out, and not consider an offer for him if it could get us a top-tier, "proven" player at a position of need (3B, ace righty). And if we don't pull the trigger now and he flounders in the minors for another year (or two), the value will be gone. And this team is in a position to contend/win NOW, who knows where it will be 3-4 years from now when Machado is ML ready. And even then, will he be a better option than a guy with Gold Glover caliber defensive skills and 30 HR/season pop?... probably not. Only if he becomes the "A-Rod clone" we all desperately hope he can be. And what are the odds of that?... quite slim. So if we can get a proven, top tier player for him right now, to me the pot odds (poker players know of what I speak) are heavily in favor of taking it.

I couldn't care less if he was hitting .350 right now in AA instead of .250. Well, I'd only care because it would increase his value.

I hope DD is not as short sighted as the posters in here as well...

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