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  • Nov-3
  • phillee94
He's the most complete player in baseball.
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  • Nov-3
  • pzero
Would you have said this before the playoffs?
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  • Nov-3
  • phillee94
Ya even tho he had an off year.
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  • Nov-3
  • Erii

I hate to admit it (not sure why)

but he is arguably the 5th best position player in the game today...

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  • Nov-3
  • dav2k5
Hanley?
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  • Nov-3
  • WorldPhuckinChamps08

"Would you have said this before the playoffs?"

What does that even matter? That doesn't make any sense at all.

Edited Nov-3   by  WorldPhuckinChamps08
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  • Nov-3
  • pswinealpha
Hanley is an average defender with a history of being a terrible defender; Utley is a great defender. Personally I feel the whole "complete"/"five tool" moniker is overrated nonsense, but if you're using it, Utley is probably closer than Hanley. Also, Hanley's SB% is good, but not as good as Utley's.
Edited Nov-3   by  pswinealpha
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  • Nov-3
  • dav2k5
Sure it does. Every year someone has a monsterous postseason and people inflate their value. Chase Utley is a tremendous ballplayer, everyone knows that, but I don't think too many people were thinking he is the most complete player in baseball before his record setting World Series bombs.
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  • Nov-3
  • pzero
Exactly my point.
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  • Nov-3
  • dav2k5
Utley is a better fielder than Hanley, but he also plays a FAR less demanding position. I don't really care about stolen base percentage, Hanley is faster by a lot. Hanley hits for a higher average and their power is pretty close but Utley does have an edge there. Hanley is improving on defense, and once again, plays one of the most important positions on the field.
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  • Nov-3
  • Erii

Hanley is an average defender with a history of being a terrible defender; Utley is a great defender. Personally I feel the whole "complete"/"five tool" moniker is overrated nonsense, but if you're using it, Utley is probably closer than Hanley. Also, Hanley's SB% isn't terribly impressive.

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Utley is a great baserunner no doubt... but he's not (what I would consider to be) a base stealer (which is a mark of speed)

Needs to be a 5-tool player (which is actually based more on skill than stat, I'm not sure on that... but that's how it seems)

Chase Utley (Speed, Arm?)

Hanley Ramirez (Defensive Skills)

Edited Nov-3   by  Erii
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  • Nov-3
  • pswinealpha

"I don't really care about stolen base percentage, Hanley is faster by a lot."

What else does speed mean for an infielder? Hanley will score on a few more hits or stretch a few more doubles, but I don't think that's adding up to a huge difference.

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  • Nov-3
  • dav2k5
Yes, 5 tools is based more on skill than stats. It is commonly used by scouts. They project a player to be skilled in the '5 tools' (hit for average, hit for power, field, throw, run) and eventually if the projection is right the stats will show those skills.
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  • Nov-3
  • dav2k5
Range... one of the single most important things for a middle infielder.
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  • Nov-3
  • jumanji40
For middle inf. though the distance that they have to get to the ball isn't usually a lot, so I don't think speed is all that important for their range. I think that positioning and recognition is more important for a middle infielder's range than speed, which could explain why Utley has a higher range factor.
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  • Nov-3
  • dpmetsnj
He's Top 5.
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  • Nov-3
  • dav2k5
While the distance a middle infielder has to cover may not be as great as that of, say, a CF; they have A LOT less time to cover that distance. Speed is important in the middle INF, which is why you do not see clunkers playing there. Troy Glaus came up as SS but was moved to 3B because he did have the speed to play there. Speed directly effects a players range. I do not understand what range factor is.
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  • Nov-3
  • AlbertisTerminator
Utley is overrated. He is extremely good, and one of the best 2b of all time, but he doesn't put up numbers that make me say "OMG". If he were playing first base nobody would talk about him as much.
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  • Nov-3
  • EdgarMartinez4HOF
But he's not playing 1B, is he? Who's to say he wouldn't be a better hitter if he played 1B?
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  • Nov-3
  • Erii

"Utley is overrated."

Prove it?

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