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    • Wilpon's Latest Insult to Our Intelligence
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  • 2/14/13
  • avsham20

"It's all in the rear-view mirror," Wilpon said of the Madoff litigation and resulting financial issues. "The family is in great shape. The family really is in great shape."

http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130213&content_id=41596644&vkey=news_nym&c_id=nym

This poor excuse for PR should explain to all the Wilpon apologists why so many Met fans detest them. No one gives a shite about the state of their family. We all know that the family has megabucks, enough to survive an out of court settlement of 100+ mil. It's the team we care about.

"Sometimes luck is the residue of design." - Fred Wilpon

Gimme a break! What luck, what design? Lucky that their lawyers got them off, or did their devious "designs" get them off? Who cares... The many fans who believe that public figures such as owners of big market MLB teams should have an ounce of public integrity have every reason in the world to be pis**sed off at these owners who always manage to make public as**ses out of themselves.

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  • 2/14/13
  • lizzz

Why would he come out and say stuff like that...you're right. Now it would be EXPECTED to spend since "it's all in the rear-view mirror".

I think once too many times he let others do the thinking for him....others that don't care about him or his family...and they come up with this <crap.

WE STILL DON'T HAVE AN OUTFIELD!

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  • 2/14/13
  • avsham20
True...same old owners, same old problem
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  • 2/14/13
  • lizzz
...and not only that...a new season is coming....sales were low last season....they need to make up for lost revenue....let's put out positive vibes so that they will come! baaaa
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  • 2/14/13
  • jsmet

...and not only that...a new season is coming....sales were low last season....they need to make up for lost revenue....let's put out positive vibes so that they will come! baaaa<

They would rather build a casino to recover lost revenue then spend the money
To improve the club this shows what slime balls they are.

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  • 2/14/13
  • lizzz
Right....I'll just enjoy the games from home....ok, maybe I'll go to one or two, but that's it!
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  • 2/14/13
  • burningmyeyes
I concur Lizz, Ill watch from home. I gave my season tickets up last year and will not re purchase anythime soon! They can keep the All Star game junk..
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  • 2/14/13
  • avsham20

they need to make up for lost revenue....let's put out positive vibes so that they will come! baaaa

The only good vibes that count are when the Mets win...

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  • 2/14/13
  • metsheart

"WE STILL DON'T HAVE AN OUTFIELD!"



Correction: We don't know what our outfield will be yet!


Maybe Mets OF has platoon or 2?

Mets not the only team in NLE that could have platoons out of necessity. Phils GM also thinks platoons are a good way to MAXIMIZE the talent they have.



from a Phillies site (Beerleaguer) Dec 2012:

http://www.beerleaguer.com/beerleaguer/2012/12/a-double-platoon-in-the-phillies-outfield.html

"A double platoon in the Phillies' outfield?

On Tuesday afternoon, Phillies general manager Ruben Amaro Jr. mentioned a possibility that the Phils could use a platoon in both of their corner outfield positions.

“Whether Darin Ruf can step up and be an everyday player, whether Domonic Brown can be an everyday player, whether John Mayberry can be an everyday player, or whether this combination – Laynce Nix as well – can constitute some type of platoon situation. We have talent there. How we maximize it, I’m not sure yet. If we have to go with those guys, if we feel like the other alternatives are not all that much better than what we have right now, there’s no reason for us to go out and do things that don’t make sense for us.” "



...and this from Philly sports:

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/blogs/Building-a-platoon.html

"Building a Phillies outfield platoon

POSTED: Tuesday, January 8, 2013, 12:21 PM

There is no optimal scenario for constructing the Phillies outfield this late in winter. Phillies general manager Ruben Amaro Jr. conceded as much Monday when he suggested it is likely the team will use what it has.

"Of the current outfield quintuplet, only Ben Revere has ever logged more than 500 at-bats in a single season

"The likeliest spot for a platoon situation is left field, where any combination of John Mayberry Jr., Darin Ruf and Laynce Nix could form. Mayberry and Ruf both bat righthanded" "
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Also see Sports Illustrated article:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/joe_lemire/09/26/oakland-athletics-moneyball-platoon/index.html

"The new Moneyball: How the A's built a surprise contender"

"Platoon advantages"

"It's something the Rays ($64 million payroll) have done effectively for a few years, but no team platoons like the A's ($55 million), who currently have four everyday time-shares at catcher, first base, second base and designated hitter.


"As a result, the A's have had 3,840 plate appearances in which a righthanded batter faced a lefthanded pitcher or a lefty batter opposed a righty on the mound; that's the second-largest total of opposite-handed plate appearances in the majors behind only the Giants and accounts for 65 percent of Oakland's total PAs.


"Every team would love to have a set nine," shortstop-turned-second baseman Cliff Pennington said. "That's kind of the goal, but we've got a good thing going here playing matchups. Bob Melvin puts us in a position to succeed, and that's been working for us." "
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Historically platoons WORK.

Let's see how this shakes out. Mets OF could turn out to be a lot better than anybody thinks right now.

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  • 2/14/13
  • Deadtrek

"Asked whether the outfield was his top priority this winter, the Mets GM replied: “Outfield? What outfield? We’re probably gonna have to bring the fences in another 150 feet!”

Sandy Alderson Nov 2012

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  • jsmet

Right....I'll just enjoy the games from home....ok, maybe I'll go to one or two, but that's it!"

Same here I am just like you. I have the best seat in the house in front of my 42 inch
Sony HD .

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  • 2/14/13
  • metsheart
A poor joke to be sure.

But doesn't change the possibility of platoons working!!
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  • 2/14/13
  • burningmyeyes
Be honest Metsheart, which one of the potential outfield platoons give you any kind of hope to surprise you. What exactly would you consider overachieving? If you say .240 average with 40-50 RBI's and over 100K's then you have a shot at what you set the level out. This is a group of never have beens, and washouts. The Mets are the Statue of Liberty for washed up players.
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  • 2/14/13
  • avsham20
Yes platoons can work (see Gil Hodges 1969 Mets) and in order for it to work for the Mets Terry Collins has to make the right moves... If he succeeds it will have nothing to do with our bad ownership.
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  • 2/14/13
  • avsham20
Barefaced liars is what they are...
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  • metsheart

"which one of the potential outfield platoons give you any kind of hope to surprise you"



Don't know. Haven't seen them play. And neither have you.

SI article talks about some of the platoon players. Cowgill was 1 of them.

"Collin Cowgill has one homer and an .844 OPS in 51 PAs."

So A's manager used an "unknown minor leaguer" in a platoon. And he contributed in that role for the time he was used. That's the whole principle of platoons.



See Hardball Times piece:

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/the-all-platoon-team1/

"The all-platoon team"

"When it comes down to it, there are just more starting positions in the major leagues than there are players worthy of getting that many at-bats, and while no team has ever gone to the extreme I’m about to, the point remains that sometimes two flawed players, when their flaws complement each other properly, can come together to produce at an all-star level"





Bill James confirms opposite hand hitters statistically have the advantage over pitchers. That SI article mentions the team w/ the most opposite hand at bats in MLB was SF Giants. Who coincidentally won the World Series.

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  • 2/14/13
  • metsheart
Platoons also worked for Davey Johnson in 1986 w/ part-time split between Lenny & Mookie in CF and full-time 2B platoon of Backman & Teufel.

If it succeeds that means the rest of the lineup is solid & Alderson and Collins will have MAXIMIZED the talent they have available. SAME as Phils GM Ruben Amaro Jr is doing in his OF (see Philly articles I posted to lizzz). And Phils are hardly operating like a small market team.




BTW -- The last 2 times Mets employed regular platoons they won the World Series.

Just sayin'.
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  • 2/14/13
  • avsham20
We basically agree...I was just venting out my frustration with the Wilponzis
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  • 2/14/13
  • metsheart
Nobody loves them. But in the grand scheme of things we don't have to. We just have to hope Wilpon lets Alderson make the baseball decisions.

Mets are still in the process of rebuilding. Just going into yr #3 now. Nats rebuilt & had ridiculously low payrolls for the 5 yrs it took to put together an organization that'll be competitive for a long time to come. Was only AFTER they finished most of the process they started spending big. Like Werth was signed going into yr #5 of Nats rebuild (for 2011 season). And then substantially adding to payroll last yr (yr #6 since rebuild started in 2007 season).

Rome wasn't built in a day. And baseball teams aren't rebuilt in 2-3 yrs either. Took Frank Cashen 5 yrs for 1980's Mets to get competitive too. Can't expect it to take too much less for Alderson. If it does then he should be considered a true baseball guru/ genius!!
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