Let us say the Mets preserve their "11TH PICK" and do not sign Bourn or Lohse.

What happens if they then fail to sign this 11th pick this draft?

They would get the 12th pick in next years draft.

OK ty.

lots of people would be really lighting up this board complaining is what

but it would be mostly unwarranted because the amount of total money you can spend seemed to be the bigger issue

seems like the mets draft strategy has been to go under slot in the first, which gives you more money to select the guys that want overslot money in the following rounds

And if they don't sign a player with that pick the following year they lose it, a draft pick only carries over one year, the next year if they don't sign a player it is gone and they get nothing in return.

"but it would be mostly unwarranted because the amount of total money you can spend seemed to be the bigger issue"

If they don't sign the player they don't get to use any of the money from that pick in that year's draft.

dont understand...what if you sign the later round picks first?

then you're f*cked

you violate the terms of the cba and, depending on how much you are already over your adjusted spending pool, either pay a massive luxury tax or lose future draft picks

i think that if you go over by something like eve 15 % you lose your next two first round picks

"dont understand...what if you sign the later round picks first?"

Then you go over the limit and are penalized. And depending how much you go over you could have to pay 100% of what you went over to the league and would have to forfeit your 1st round picks for the next two years.

but if you draft a player in the first round and dont sign him..you can go over slot for other rounds by 15%?

i know alderson alluded to total money allotted in the draft and mentioned that the total money would drop if they lose the first pick for bourn..but he said the money was more important than the pick...why would he say that if you couldnt use the money later?

Here are the penalties

0% and under-
No Penalty

0% to 5%
75% tax on overage

5%-10%
75% tax on overage &
loss of next season's 1st round pick

10-15%
100% tax on overage &
loss of next season's 1st and 2nd round picks

Over 15%
100% tax on overage &
loss of 1st round pick next two seasons

you can use the money slotted for the first round in other rounds IF you sign the first round pick under slot....and for the record i hate that he said that bc it implies he'll draft another reach pick that he can pay underslot to save money for later rounds - a strategy that imo failed last year

if you draft a player in the fist round and dont sign him you lose the money completely...you then have your original bonus pool minus the money allotted for that pick (for 11th it should be roughly 2.6 mil i would say) and the same restrictions/penalties apply to your new cap

if fact, its worse bc the percentages represent much smaller sums....so lets say you sign your first round for exactly slot value...it means you can actually pay your other picks more bc you would still be exceeding your bonus pool by a lower percentage than if you made the exact same signings w/o the money from the first round pick...im hoping this is what alderson meant and not that he would draft signable guys that will take underslot value

"i know alderson alluded to total money allotted in the draft and mentioned that the total money would drop if they lose the first pick for bourn..but he said the money was more important than the pick...why would he say that if you couldnt use the money later?"

Lets say the slot value for the Mets 1st round pick is $3M, If the Mets sign him for $2M then they can use the extra $1M they saved on the rest of their picks.

If they don't sign him then they don't get any of that $3m to use in 2013. But they would get the 12th overall pick in 2014 and the approximately $3 would carry over to use in 2014.

ok i get it now...