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    • Giants To Sign Ramon Ramirez
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  • 2/5/13
  • robrock30

One year after trading him, the Giants are bringing Ramon Ramirez back. The Giants agreed to sign Ramirez, Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com reports (on Twitter).

The right-hander pitched for San Francisco from 2010-11, but was traded to the Mets with Andres Torres in the trade that brought Angel Pagan to San Francisco last offseason. One winter later, all three players signed with the Giants as free agents.

Ramirez appeared in 58 games for the Mets in 2012, posting a 4.24 ERA with 7.4 K/9 and 4.9 BB/9 in 63 2/3 innings out of the bullpen. The 31-year-old had a 46.7% ground ball rate and his fastball averaged 91.1 mph, according to FanGraphs.

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  • 2/5/13
  • Gepett0

wow....

i guarantee that torres has a bounce back year as a solid 4th of and ramon ramirez goes back to his effective relief pitching ways

one year after the trade, we get absolutely zero value back (total 1.2 fwar vs the 4.0 that pagan put up) and every player winds up back w/ san fran, where each will likely wind up contributing more than he ever did for the mets

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  • 2/5/13
  • robrock30
In retrospect, the Pagan trade was a total bust both in terms of results and planning. The FO is now trying to replace Pagan's speed, ability to play CF, and leadoff & is willing to overpay for Michael Bourn to replace him and to request a waiver from MLB so as not to lose a 1st round draft choice in the process.
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  • 2/5/13
  • wrghtknght
What did you honestly expect? Just another way San Fran <screwed us last year. Freddy-Boy must be howling with laughter at this one, knowing he didn't have to give up a penny for any of this, as well as scrapping the season midway through. This ownership simply does not want the team to show improvement as long as they are in financial trouble.
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  • 2/5/13
  • edmet
makes sense for jints.
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  • 2/5/13
  • 4545_ajd

"The FO is now trying to replace Pagan's speed, ability to play CF, and leadoff & is willing to overpay for Michael Bourn to replace him and to request a waiver from MLB so as not to lose a 1st round draft choice in the process."

Pagan got a a 4 year 40M deal in free agency, so if you want to talk about overpaying...

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  • 2/5/13
  • thebobymon

I wonder what Pagan's stats are leading off.

I don't remember him taking to it kindly.

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  • 2/5/13
  • robrock30

It makes sense for the Giants for sure.

It also proves to the fanbase that the Pagan trade was a poorly conceived cost cutting move which if Bourn is signed will prove to be costly indeed. If Bourn is not signed it will also be costly as the OF will be an embarrasment and the OF jokes will be directed at the Harvard GM.

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  • 2/5/13
  • 4545_ajd

"It also proves to the fanbase that the Pagan trade was a poorly conceived cost cutting move which if Bourn is signed will prove to be costly indeed."

Cost cutting move? Pagan made 4.85M last year, Torres and Ramirez made 5.35M. I don't see where you are getting cost cutting from.

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  • 2/5/13
  • robrock30
Angel Pagan did quite well last year leading off for the Giants
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  • 2/5/13
  • robrock30
Oh but at 2 for the price of 1 is cost cutting is it not?
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  • 2/5/13
  • 4545_ajd

"Oh but at 2 for the price of 1 is cost cutting is it not?"

Ramirez and Torres made 5.35M, if the trade wasn't made it would have been Pagan and Herrera who would have taken Ramirez's spot who also cost a combined 5.35M.

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  • 2/5/13
  • robrock30
Herrera was not on the Mets roster last year. Are you talking about Danny Herrera who came to the Mets in the trade of Krod to the Brewers in 2011?
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  • 2/5/13
  • 4545_ajd
Yes, Herrera was one of the final cuts in spring training last year.
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  • 2/5/13
  • robrock30
What happened to him last year only 6 IP in Buffalo? How would he have been costly?
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  • 2/5/13
  • 4545_ajd
He wouldn't have been costly that is my point, the Mets would have gone with him or someone else from the minors that would have made the minimum if they hadn't traded for Ramirez. So they spent 1.15M more on Ramirez than his replacement, and 1.15M less on Torres than they would have Pagan, so again the money evens out.
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  • 2/5/13
  • robrock30

The Mets went for a 2 for 1 deal to cut costs as Pagan was to be a FA after 2012.

What happened to Danny Herrera? He pitched 8 BP innings for the Mets in Sept 2011 when he was acquired after pitching 1.2 IP for the Brewers in 2011. He only pitched 6 innings last year @ AAA Buffalo. Was he injured? Where is he now? It appears the Mets got zilch for Krod then also in a cost cutting move in 2011.

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  • 2/5/13
  • robrock30
It looks like he required Tommy John surgery after 6 innings of work @ AAA last year. Is he still on the Mets and will he factor in for 2013?
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  • 2/5/13
  • 4545_ajd
Krod was completely a cost cutting move, Pagan trade wasn't the Mets got back a relief pitcher who had pitched 4 consecutive years to an ERA under 3.00, for an outfielder who was coming off a bad season and was not liked in the club house. Pagan had a good year Ramirez had a bad year so the traded didn't work out, doesn't mean it was a bad trade or was made to cut costs. If they only were concerned about cutting costs they wouldn't have brought back Pelfrey who made more than Pagan, or signed Rauch or Francisco. Herrera btw had Tommy John surgery.

Edited 2/5/13   by  4545_ajd
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