" should be encouraged to go deep into games and take responsibility for winning."
Honestly, I respectfully disagree.
I would cap Harvey before 200 IP this year, and Wheeler the same limit Harvey had this year.
If we were in contention (like the Nats and Strasburg last year), it'd be a different story. But we gain nothing from pushing our young guys while we battle for 3rd place in the division.
>>I tend to agree. Pitchers used to pitch. No reason they can't now.<<
Simply becase there is no "inside warning pitch" anymore, that is why.
2 of those and you get to take the longest hot shower on the team.
The rules have changed, pitchers used to be bullies, now they are either fine or hitting the pine early.
Saying pitchers need to go farther like in the old days ... who's going to be the one to institute it?
What GM (and that's where it'll have to come from) will take the chance of blowing out a young prospect's arm when he makes him pitch deeper, and exceed the pitch count that pitchers probably been on since college?
It ain't gonna happen.
I can't really agree. I think of young pitchers like new employees in your business. It's important for them to start slowly and build confidence. As they start to rack up the victories and other positive pitching performances along with arm strength and job knowledge, they can then be allowed to regularly go into the seventh, eighth and even ninth innings. The confidence and arm strength of the young pitcher are what needs to be bolstered and looked after with great care. I think Davey Johnson did a good job of this with the young Doc Gooden and Sid Fernandez.
I'm not saying it should be five or six innings and out without any regard to how the game is going, etc. Sure, if guys like Wheeler and Harvey are going strong without a storm cloud in sight, let them pitch. But let's not blow these guys' arms out in their first year or two in the majors either. Some sort of mix between going with the flow and having an eye on the bigger pitcher needs to be followed early in a pitcher's career.
">>I tend to agree. Pitchers used to pitch. No reason they can't now.<<
The rules have changed, pitchers used to be bullies, now they are either fine or hitting the pine early."
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The game has changed and thats that. It is not going back to what it once was..Nolan or anybody else is not going to change that reality. The issue is multifactorial. The idea you just give these guys a kick in their a** and tell them go pitch more is silly. The idea of having them throw more pitches from a young age to build up the arm strength to do so is not the issue. These kids in many cases are throwing to much from an early age. That is in part why you have more high schoolers/college athletes requiring arm surgery. They are needing surgery before they ever reach the pro level..You have kids at the low levels of baseball where the very basics should be taught like location yet they are pitching highly competitively. Their bodies are not ready or mature enough for these kinds of demands.
You have issues with athletes not knowing how to prepare properly. How to use their entire body. If Nolan is doing anything he is doing his best to work with what he has. Focusing on pitching mechanics and preperation. You listen to guys like Kurt Schilling who's best years came after a major injury. That injury and the rehab that followed are what taught him how to truly prepare. If you are a young pitcher talk to him about the kind of preperation that is necessary to give your chance the best shot at avoiding injury..Nolan as well. These guys were work horses off the field so they could be it on the field. Factor in steroids and how you prepare with them and without them are not the same.
Its a new day and age. Athletes of yester year did not face the issues of todays athletes. Today we sit at computers all day long, we text all day long, we watch tv, playing video games. You have these kids growing up playing sports but outside of that they sit around. When you look at our daily lives you see postural changes. Skeletal and sof tissue adaptations for the worse, not the better. You take athletes with a forward slumped shoulder from sitting around all day and he develops scapular dysfunction just to name one and if you have a dysfunctional scapula you are an arm injury waiting to happen. And S.I.C.K scapula is a major issue for todays overhead athlete and something trainers have to deal with.