-Letting Reyes walk for nothing-Not signing Cespedes-Frank Francisco-Nimmo over Barnes-Josh Thole: Starting catcher?-Pagan for Ramirez and Torres-5.5 million for Pelfrey
>>>" Letting Reyes walk for nothing"<<<
I don't see it as being that simple.
>>> "Not signing Cespedes"<<<
And how many other GMs didn't sign him ?
Were we expecting him to be much better than what he was ? He was a mediocre closer, and we couldn't afford much more than that. But then, people who wanted to sign Bell awhile back... how did that turn out ?
>>>"Nimmo over Barnes"<<<
Kinda hard rate this a failure when Nimmo is still a pup.
>>>"Josh Thole: Starting catcher?"<<<
Alderson was supposed to show up here with a boat load of players and money already in his pocket, to replace the entire roster that was already here ?
>>>"Pagan for Ramirez and Torres"<<<
Ramirez had been one a the better relief pitchers in the league for awhile. The fact that he failed to perform according to his resume doesn't make it a bad decision, just a bad result. Torres was an extra piece.
>>>"-5.5 million for Pelfrey"<<<
Alderson was supposed to show up here with a boat load or players and money already in pocket, to replace the entire roster that was already here ?
<-Letting Reyes walk for nothing>
Could certainly make a case why this was a mistake.
<Not signing Cespedes>
You think any other GM would have in this position? You have a team with a million holes and no money and you think anybody is spending basically their entire budget on this guy with an uncertain financial future?
Mistake to sign him. Didn't like the signing at the time either.
<Nimmo over Barnes>
Can we let these guys get out of A ball before we make this decision.
<Josh Thole: Starting catcher?>
Other options? With a rebuilding team, made complete sense to see what we had in a 25 year old rather than sign some mediocre placeholder.
<Pagan for Ramirez and Torres>
Made complete sense at the time. Pagan likely had no future with this team even if he stayed and Ramirez was a cheap, reliable reliever.
<5.5 million for Pelfrey>
Again, another move that made sense for a rebuilding team. The guy was an innings eater on a team with one other guy who you could count on for 35 starts.
You guys keep acting like we should judge him on these moves. You can't because he has yet to be put in a position where the team was expected to win. I don't judge GMs on their small-time moves when the team is in rebuilding mode. I never expected this team to be competitive in the short-term and can't imagine that any GM would have done anything significantly different.
- Extends Dickey, and that ultimately leads to him being here to win a CY Young- Trades Dickey several years later for the best catching prospect in baseball+a top teir pitching prospect+an additional prospect.- Trades Beltran, with no draft compensation attached, for Wheeler - one of the top pitching prospects in baseball.- Signing Neise long term to a club friendly contract- Extends David Wright to a "reasonable" deal that with bell curved pay scale- Gets good production from a low cost signing in Chris Young- Gets good production from a low cost signing in Capuano- Gets good production from a low cost pick up in Hariston
>>>"Pretty bleak success list IMO. "<<<
Not in mine.
>>>"And the prospects could pan out or could not."<<<
Whether they do or not doesn't negate the fact that they were good deals on their face.
>>>"Part of the problem is that some of these people will never accept the reality of the situation. If their expectations were that this team would be competitive quickly then they clearly lack a rational outlook."<<<
Yeah. I mean said from day one that this was a process that would take years, and it would require patience and sacrifices in the short term. Sandy all but said that too, but somehow some people still seem to think we'd play checkbook baseball over these past years. It hasn't happened, and likely won't happen for awhile. I have no problem with being critical of Sandy for some things, but on other things it is unreasonable to make judgements on. Like veiwing Nimmo's pick a failure, when the kids only been here for a millisecond, it just really absurd.
>>>"-Letting Reyes walk for nothing: Pathetic: Reyes should be our SS right now"<<<
Reyes made his choice. He may have had it in mind from the start to be Marlin anyway. If he really wanted to be here that badly, maybe he could have been.
FO failures in order:
1) Letting Reyes go for zilch. Should of obtained a top ML ready prospect + for him when he was healthy. Red Sox at the time needed a SS. Could have gotten Josh Reddick the other guy who played SS for Houston and top prospect
2) The Pagan trade for a couple of stiffs knowing that the org was thin in OF & speed guys at the time. SF hosed us on that deal as payback for Beltran
3) Wasting resources last offseason on crappy bullpen and Pelfrey knowing the org was loaded with pitching on the horizon instead of performing any due diligence on Cespedes where the org was very thin.
1)we wouldn't have gotten nearly that much for a 3 month rental of a shortstop with a bad hamstring
2) if Ramirez had simply pitched to his career numbers this wouldn't be an issue OR if Pagan was still here we'd be complaining that Sandy didn't have enough money to keep him after he signed somewhere else for 4/40....either way Pagan wasn't going to make us winners in '12 and he wasn't going to be here next season
3)i didn't like the Pelfrey signing but he pitched extremely well before he got hurt,no way to predict that....Rauch was middling and Frankie obviously a complete failure something he had no record of in the past