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  • 12/17/12
  • docguden16

John Buck joins a couple notable names that may be jettisoned come late July.

Maybe the Mets surprise this season and have a great first half. It's possible. Not many gave them any chance of hanging around the first half of 2012... and just prior to the deadline the Mets were in the thick of things.

But going the other route, assuming the Mets won't be in serious contention until 2014 or 2015, the Mets may have a few valuable trade chips come deadline time:

(1) Johan Santana - 2013 will be his third season removed from surgery. Not many expected the brilliance he showed prior to his no hitter. I'm leaning towards the optimists side here and am going to say that Johan does very well in the first half of 2013. Hands down the best case scenario is that Johan jumps back into Ace mode and will be there for the picking come July.

(2) Frank Francisco - Yes... his 2012 numbers were no good. But let's assume for argument and histories sake that FF returns to norm. "Norm" being a low to mid 3 ERA, a whip of 1.2ish, and he continues to do what he did fairly well last year... save games. Seeing that 2012 was hands down his worst statistical year of his 7 full seasons, I don't think these assumptions are too outlandish.

(3) John Buck - Here's a guy who's hit double digit HR in 7 of his 9 MLB seasons. He brings some pop and has shown the ability to drive in 50-55 runners consistently and was an All-star 2 seasons ago. A catcher with some pop can be a nice commodity for a team looking to add gear up for the postseason.

Again, hoping the Mets are in contention and aren't selling at the deadline, but it would take all the right bounces to be in contention.

These three chips all have contracts expiring at the end of 2013 and may further help fortify a rapidly improving farm system.

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  • 12/17/12
  • Tahsin

The Mets supposedly shopped Santana during winter meetings (with premise of eating part of his salary) with NO response/offer. Maybe the Mets will be able to attain a one or two mid level prospects for Santana, but I see a limited market for an aging pitcher with a medical related shutdown and current salary.

Would you honestly trade away a blue chip prospect for a aging starting pitcher that has started only 21 games in the past two years? Would you gamble your job for a pitcher that may not make it to the playoffs?

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  • 12/17/12
  • thedamon

Santana- if he is having any kind of year, yea you have to trade him at the deadline.. Hopefully paying the money will help us get a prospect.. I have faith in Sandy as far as that goes..

Francisco- If he is having a good year and gets Type-A free agency the compensation sandwich pick might be better than any player the Mets would be offered..

Buck- Mets will be lucky to a D- rated prospect for Buck..

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  • 12/17/12
  • murphstates
To get a compensation pick for Francisco he would have to be made a qualifying offer which will be more than $14 million and he has to decline it.
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  • 12/17/12
  • thedamon
i did not realize his qualifying offer would be that large.. I thought it was like 6. Ok I am wrong.. Trade him for whatever u can get at the deadline
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  • 12/17/12
  • cjct

i am really hoping Santana has a nice bounce back year. If so he can be a nice trade chip for a contending team and we can probably get a nice piece or two.

Remember Beltran had zero to no trade value with his high salary and bad knees...then he comes out and has a great year and he turns into Zach Wheeler one of the best pitching prospects in the game.

Santana comes back pitching well and we are out of it maybe we can net something nice.

Harvey, Niese, Wheeler are our core. Gee is a solid 4th or 5th. Than hopefully Snydergaard becomes a nice pieces down the road with Fulmer but in the meantime we can survive with a veteran piece.

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  • 12/18/12
  • DFAB

If Santana pitches as well as he did into the beginning of July last year then there is no doubt in my mind that we will have multiple teams offering a top prospect for him...if we eat all or most of the salary of course. If Santana is traded, there is NO REASON why we shouldn't be picking up the entire contract. If he is owed 10m at the time of the trade, we better be sending the receiving team 10m...not 7...not 5....and certainly not a pure salary dump move. Dealing Santana should have the MAXIMUM return available in mind.

Francisco could have a little bit of value if he racks up some saves at a respectable ERA. Could bring back a decent prospect if we ate the whole salary. He could even be packaged with Santana or Buck to increase the return.

Buck could maybe bring back a low A guy or relief pitcher if he is having a good year...probably could be packaged in another trade for something better.

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  • 12/18/12
  • docguden16

You mean like an aging outfielder with bad knees that was shifted to right field because he didn't have the range to play center anymore and had missed most of the previous season... that guy... traded for one of the most coveted right arms in baseball?

If Santana pitches through July like he pitched through last July... there's potential to bring back a very good piece. A good chunk of salary would be eaten, just like it was with Beltran.

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  • 12/18/12
  • srdiddy666
What I don't think you all realize is that if Johan has a great first half, there is a very good chanec this team will be in contention for the post season, so I actually think that the likelihood of him being traded is not that great (since if he is not good, I don't think anyone will want him). With a great first half, the rotation should actually be pretty strong. Add to that actually getting some production from C, the probability that Duda and Ike will not repeat their first halves of 2012, and the likelihood that we will add an outfield bat to increase production from Bay, and the post season is not that far a stretch.
Just food for thought.
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  • 12/18/12
  • skorpio520
i always liked john buck. but yeah maybe.im gonna say johan and francisco,possibly gee.
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  • 12/18/12
  • saztastic2012
Winter meetings when the player ended the season early and trade deadline when the pitcher has been doing very very well are two different things.
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  • 12/18/12
  • murphstates

I know we all would love to trade Santana and get back a good prospect, but there are so many obstacles to this I just can't see it happening.

Typically, teams looking for pitching at the deadline are doing so because they are making a playoff push. By all accounts, the Mets are expecting 150-180 innings out of Santana. If that's the case any team acquiring him would not be able to count on him down the stretch or into the post season.

But let's say Santana is completely healthy and pitching well and we're willing to eat his salary.

He still has a 2014 option at $24 million that converts at 215 innings. Last season he made 17 first half starts and threw 103 innings. In his career he has never made 30 starts and pitched less than 215 innings.

Those first 17 starts took him to July 6th. The Mets are going to have to limit his starts and innings to make him a viable deadline acquisition.

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  • 12/18/12
  • JamesHetfi3ld

I would be shocked if it happened.

But GMs today seem to be slightly mentally r.etarded, so we can't rule it out. He would have to have a great first half with zero hiccups as far as his health is concerned, however.

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