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    • Sandy Alderson = 2 Top 10 Prospects (Wheeler & d'Arnaud)
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  • 12/17/12
  • CHOOin2014

Bravo, Sandy.

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  • 12/17/12
  • JamesHetfi3ld

It literally couldn't have gone any better.

Give Syndergaard a year or 2 and he'll be in that list as well. Absolutely masterful.

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  • 12/17/12
  • CHOOin2014

So true.

The only blemish on Sandy's record is Jose. But I blame Fred and Jeff more for that. Any other big-market GM/owner would have re-signed him...

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  • 12/17/12
  • JamesHetfi3ld

No, I blame Sandy for that UNLESS he was under orders not to deal him.

Team is clearly gearing up for the future, and his history with leg problems would have made me think twice about extending him. He should have been dealt, who knows what the team could have gotten for him.

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  • 12/17/12
  • metsheart
"I blame Sandy for that UNLESS he was under orders not to deal him"



When should Alderson have traded Reyes assuming he wasn't under orders not to deal him? And what would've come back to Mets then?
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  • 12/17/12
  • CHOOin2014

Jose played 160 games last season. He wasn't worried about injuries. He was still only 28 yrs. old. He was ordered to keep him. For ticket sales (batting race). But you're right, if that was the case, he should have been traded.

Regardless, we move on...

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  • 12/17/12
  • JamesHetfi3ld

The earlier the better, with his injury history.

Before the season started would have been ideal.

The Reds were looking for SS help, could have gotten Grandal back in return. There's your stud power OF the team needs. Probably could have had Alonso too.

Instead the team got back trash.

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  • 12/17/12
  • JamesHetfi3ld

Yes, he did play a full year last season, and he is only 28.

But you have to wonder what happens when he hits 30, and that's about the time the team MIGHT be good enough to content for a WC. We'll have to re-evaluate it then.

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  • 12/17/12
  • djiboutirox
top 3. Syndergaard will be ranked 3rd.
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  • 12/17/12
  • metsheart

"The earlier the better, with his injury history.

Before the season started would have been ideal.

The Reds were looking for SS help, could have gotten Grandal back in return. There's your stud power OF the team needs"




Trade Reyes before the 2011 season? After he missed almost all 2009? And 3 DL stints in 2010 w/ SAME hamstring injury?? And OK but not great 2010 season?? Reds GM was giving up 12th overall pick in 2010 draft (Grandal -- a Catcher NOT OF!!!) for THAT guy?? BEFORE 2011 season??



from Reds GM Walt Jocketty's wikipedia bio:

"In addition to his long tenure with the Cardinals, Jocketty also spent 14 years in the Oakland organization beginning in March 1980, when he was hired by owner Charlie Finley as Director of Minor League Operations and Scouting. It was in this capacity that Jocketty took a lead role in overhauling the A's minor league system, and was also was instrumental in founding the Arizona Rookie League and the Dominican Summer League. Less than five years into his time with Oakland, Jocketty was promoted to Director of Baseball Administration, a post he held the remainder of his time in Oakland. During the 1994 season Jocketty served the Colorado Rockies for a brief stint as their Assistant General Manager/Player Personnel"





Experienced & successful Reds GM Walt Jocketty wouldn't do what SF did w/ Beltran? Wouldn't wait til close to the deadline to see if Reyes could stay healthy?? In what universe???

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  • 12/17/12
  • metrebel

>> When should Alderson have traded Reyes assuming he wasn't under orders not to deal him? And what would've come back to Mets then?

I'm sure the kid's injury history would have had a big affect on what the Mets return would be if they tried to trade him at the deadline. It wasn't too long before the deadline he came off the DL. I also think his injury history played into the fact that only the Marlins went after him hard. Playing in warm weather the Marlins most likely weren't too concerned with his leg issues, but it sure looks like the other 28 teams were. The time to trade him was during the off-season, but I think at that time they had every hope of resigning him.

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  • 12/17/12
  • metsheart
"I'm sure the kid's injury history would have had a big affect on what the Mets return would be if they tried to trade him at the deadline. It wasn't too long before the deadline he came off the DL. I also think his injury history played into the fact that only the Marlins went after him hard"



EXACTLY.

If not for Marlins wanting to make a big splash in their new ballpark Mets would've been Reyes's ONLY "serious suitor."
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The time to trade him was 2010-2011 offseason?? After OK but unremarkable 2010?? After being out almost all 2009 & 3 DL stints in 2010 w/ SAME hammy problem??? What kind of return would Mets have gotten then??
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  • 12/17/12
  • metrebel

>> If not for Marlins wanting to make a big splash in their new ballpark Mets would've been Reyes's ONLY "serious suitor."

The Marilns new stadium is in an area of Miami known as little Cuba. I don't need to tell you what kind of baseball fans the Cubans are. It was worth a shot signing Latino players to up attendance. Of course there are teams out there that don't need help at short, but if there had been any other teams really interested he would have taken the Marlins first offer and shopped it. That didn't happen.

>> The time to trade him was 2010-2011 offseason?? After OK but unremarkable 2010?? After being out almost all 2009 & 3 DL stints in 2010 w/ SAME hammy problem??? What kind of return would Mets have gotten then??

Most likey in the 2011 off-season they could have pulled better quality than they would have at the deadline. When healthy he is one of, if not the most, dynamic player in the game. A tean would have given you better quaity at during than the 2011 off-season than they would with him coming off the DL for the same leg problems just before the deadline.

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  • 12/17/12
  • metsheart
"if there had been any other teams really interested he would have taken the Marlins first offer and shopped it. That didn't happen"



Reyes's agent Peter Greenberg confirmed after Jose signed that Marlins & Mets were Jose's only 2 "serious suitors."
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"Most likey in the 2011 off-season they could have pulled better quality than they would have at the deadline"



After OK but not great 2010 season?? After missing 40% of his team's gms previous 2 seasons w/ SAME recurring hammy problem??

Key words from your post: "WHEN HEALTHY"

THAT was the WHOLE issue w/ Reyes!!! And why GMs like Walt Jocketty would've waited til close to deadline to trade for Jose. To see if he could at least stay healthy til then. And perform well. Like SF did w/ Beltran before trading away their top pitching prospect for 2 month rental.
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" A tean would have given you better quaity at during than the 2011 off-season than they would with him coming off the DL for the same leg problems just before the deadline"



If Alderson had a crystal ball he would've known Reyes would have ANOTHER injury to his hammy landing him on DL on July 2nd & traded him before that!!

You're using HINDSIGHT to say Mets should've traded Reyes before 2011 season because they would've gotten more than him coming off DL just before deadline!!!
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  • 12/17/12
  • JamesHetfi3ld

The universe we live in, the same universe where he overpayed for Latos.

It happens, and as this offseason indicates much more frequently then people believe. Bottom line: He needed to be dealt. He should have been dealt and he wasn't... Just like Hairston, who foolishly was kept even though teams were showing interest.

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  • 12/17/12
  • metsheart

No one was interested in Reyes as FA but Marlins & Mets. And GMs wouldn't have had to give up top prospects to get him then. Tells you Jose's value to other GMs right there.

Sorry. No GM w/ 1/2 a brain was trading any worthwhile players for Reyes BEFORE 2011 season. For guy that missed 40% of his team's gms previous 2 seasons w/ SAME recurring hamstring injury. After OK but not great 2010. With 3 more DL stints for SAME injury. And certainly not after Reyes went on DL Juy 2nd.


Should've traded Hairston? What were Mets offered for him??

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  • 12/17/12
  • JamesHetfi3ld

'No one was interested in Reyes as FA but Marlins & Mets.'

Don't know if that's true. Clearly the Jays were interested enough to take him as the centerpiece of the most recent deal.

'Sorry. No GM w/ 1/2 a brain was trading any worthwhile players for Reyes BEFORE 2011 season.'

Clearly, you've proven you know little about what scouts or GMs think of talent... So frankly this opinion has no merit.

'Should've traded Hairston? What were Mets offered for him??'

Same response I've given before: Something>Nothing. The Tigers contacted the team but the Mets wanted to hold on to him, because Alderson 'thought' (Note: he really didn't) that it was important to finish the season as strongly as possible.

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  • 12/17/12
  • AdrianMonk

We may also gain an elite prospect from the 2014 draft due to the last move.
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  • 12/17/12
  • metsheart

It's true.

marlins-long-pursuit-of-jose-reyes-ends-with-six-year-deal

from Sporting News Dec 7, 2011:

"Reyes never had any other serious suitors. "There were teams that had to wait on some decisions before they went to Plan B. Jose wasn't Plan A for anybody else," Greenberg said"
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"you've proven you know little about what scouts or GMs think of talent"


Just showed what Plawecki's C rank is & what scouting report is.

Your willingness to trade away Mets only viable C prospect for OF prospect shows how little you understand about the improtance of depth on minor league level.
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"'Should've traded Hairston? What were Mets offered for him??'

Same response I've given before: Something>Nothing. The Tigers contacted the team but the Mets wanted to hold on to him, because Alderson 'thought' (Note: he really didn't) that it was important to finish the season as strongly as possible"



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Edited 12/17/12   by  metsheart
Edited 12/17/12   by  metsheart
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