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    • Final Straw?
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  • 12/12/12
  • Robert

If the way the Brass is handling the Dickey situation is not the final straw with everyone there is no help for you. As a die hard met fan, I have never felt more disgruntled than I do n ow. It is an absolute disgrace the way they are treating a man who helped them bank $ last year by being one of the only reasons to come out to the ballpark.

Mets logic= To other teams Dickey is worth two top prospects to us he is worth Jeremy Guthrie.

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  • 12/12/12
  • 4545_ajd
What a player is worth and what they get paid only applies when the player is a free agent and can have all 30 teams bidding on him. Just like Mike Trout and Bryce Harper aren't worth league minimum this year.

Edited 12/12/12   by  4545_ajd
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  • 12/12/12
  • ExileMetsFan

Yeah, but there's also such a think as being strategic. Dickey WILL be a FA in a year if they don't sign him, and because of that, they won't get back full value if they trade him. They'd be in a stronger position if they signed him to an extension and THEN traded him.

Once again, the Mets fail to operate from a position of strength. This ownership is beyond clueless

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  • 12/12/12
  • ExileMetsFan
Nothing wrong with tough negotiating, but there is also the issue of rewarding a guy who has been very underpaid for the past 3 years. He IS a person, and emotions do matter to some degree. It's just like what happened with Jose, only dumber.
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  • 12/12/12
  • ExileMetsFan

"They are dealing from a position of strength by being tough while in the position to do so"

With Dickey. Not with prospective trade partners. That's what I said about being STRATEGIC

" And you can bet your sweet bippy part of Dickeys demand is a FULL no trade clause which would make your suggestion impossible"

Actually, it can be a point of negotiation. Tell him, "if you take this offer, we'll give you the no-trade, or we'll give you what you want in money, but no no-trade clause".

But the owners are too stupid to do something like that.

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  • 12/12/12
  • 4545_ajd

"They'd be in a stronger position if they signed him to an extension and THEN traded him."

No they wouldn't, since that would automatically rule out any team that would want to sign Dickey on a one year 5M deal, If a team wants to sign him for longer than that the Mets will give them a negotiating window, it won't be hard because everyone already knows what he is asking so any team willing to trade for him and wants to sign him already knows what it would take going into negotiating an extension.

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  • 12/12/12
  • ExileMetsFan

"No they wouldn't, since that would automatically rule out any team that would want to sign Dickey on a one year 5M deal,"

Any team that thinks they can get him for that is delusional.

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  • 12/12/12
  • 4545_ajd
I was talking about in 2013 they deal he is currently on.
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  • 12/12/12
  • krlnd

"What a player is worth and what they get paid only applies when the player is a free agent and can have all 30 teams bidding on him. Just like Mike Trout and Bryce Harper aren't worth league minimum this year. "

However, a recent example of somebody getting paid their worth without being a free agent is Wright.

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  • 12/12/12
  • 4545_ajd

"However, a recent example of somebody getting paid their worth without being a free agent is Wright.

If BJ Upton is worth 15m Wright is worth more than 17.25, plus Wright was a lot more willing to wait till free agency than Dickey.

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  • 12/12/12
  • ExileMetsFan

"I was talking about in 2013 they deal he is currently on. "

Ah, gotcha. Fair point

Although him being a rental hurts his value somewhat. Hopefully, his cheap contract will make up the difference.


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  • 12/12/12
  • 4545_ajd

"Although him being a rental hurts his value somewhat. Hopefully, his cheap contract will make up the difference."

Some teams will want to sign to an extension, others will want to make sure he works out for them. Don't forget in 2014 the National TV deal money kicks in so there could be some teams willing to test him out first even if it means paying more for him in 2014.

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  • 12/12/12
  • ExileMetsFan
I think we'll get to most with a trade-and-sign, like we did with Santana
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  • 12/12/12
  • krlnd
But you're comparing apples to oranges. Upton was a FA, Wright is not.
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  • 12/12/12
  • 4545_ajd

"But you're comparing apples to oranges. Upton was a FA, Wright is not."

Ok, you must have missed something because that is the EXACT point I was making.

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