KC fan here. hi all..
the Royals WANT Dickey. bad...but not Wil Myers bad..
as a poster said..would you trade Zack Wheeler (who could be a boom or bust himself) for Ellsbury now that Boston is setting up to trade him?
No I doubt it.
We are flush with prospects. Have a good OFer too in Cain.
Our pretty much thought of package would be Lorenzo Cain (OF), Aaron Crow (All-Star reliever), Christian Colon and likely a quality AA or AAA pitcher for say..Dickey and Valdespin (you guys have Murphy at 2nd and we are looking for 2nd basemen as well)..
That's not a bad return. 5 years of a fast and excellent defensive CF'er (go check his highlights) with some pop. a STRONG right hand reliever who can be brutal in the middle innings or even close (he stepped in as our closer when we yanked Soria as closer the season before last), Christian Colon (good hitting skills and a little pop but not much, playing SS but we planned to move him to 2nd at AAA unless we lock one up) and we have a plethora of young arms but a solid pen and working on a strong rotation.
Thoughts on that offer if it was out there? 2 pieces to toss in your 25 man right away and 2 on the cusp with projectability?
"uhmm Would we trade Wheeler for someone like Jacoby Elsbury? "
Do you really see Ellsbury as equal value to Dickey? I see your point, but your comparison is way off. Dickey has much greater value; especially to a team that can win this year and next year. I would think that a window to sign Dickey would be part of the deal. Jacoby would be a 1 year rental with no compensation afterwards. Dickey will at least net a draft pick if he isn't signed to a multiyear contract.
Cain only had 222 AB due to 3 injuries and is now considered a 4th outfielder.As for Colon, this is part of what MLB.COM said: " He doesn’t have wow tools, and it’s his feel for the game that should allow him to compete, but he didn’t seem as advanced in the Texas League." You even told us that Colon isn't much of a return "(you guys have Murphy at 2nd and we are looking for 2nd basemen as well).". Colon played 2nd base in the winter league. We have Tejada and Murphy and don't need Colon.
If not Myers, then it would take Starling or Odorizzi, Gordon, Crow or Peralta and perhaps Donnie Joseph. Anything less is not enough of a return. Even this might not be enough. I would rather keep Dickey than trade him for the average players you suggested.
"Yes, the Royals would be dumb if they didn't make that trade. We'd be dumb if we did. Dickey won the Cy Young. Myers is a prospect. Most prospects flop. End of story."
You are absolutely right..most prospects flop. but not all prospects are awarded both the USAToday Minor League Player of the Year AND the Baseball America Minor League Player of the Year. Throw in the Topps Minor League Player of the Year and he is only the 3rd person to receive all 3, joining Andruw Jones and Josh Beckett.
So please, feel free to look over the lists below and tell us again how "dumb" we are to not make the trade. And moreso...look at the list and think how "dumb" your team would be if they did.
*shakes head* Would you have said that last year if Trout was being talked about and Dickey had won the Cy Young in 2011 instead of 2012?
Baseball America Minor League Player of the Year
1990 Frank Thomas First baseman AA Chicago White Sox1991 Derek Bell Outfielder AAA Toronto Blue Jays1992 Tim Salmon Outfielder AAA California Angels1993 Manny Ramirez Outfielder AAA Cleveland Indians1994 Derek Jeter Shortstop AAA New York Yankees1995 Andruw Jones (1) Outfielder A Atlanta Braves1996 Andruw Jones (2) Outfielder AAA Atlanta Braves1997 Paul Konerko First baseman AAA Los Angeles Dodgers1998 Eric Chavez Third baseman AAA Oakland Athletics1999 Rick Ankiel Pitcher AAA St. Louis Cardinals2000 Jon Rauch Pitcher AA Chicago White Sox2001 Josh Beckett Pitcher AA Florida Marlins2002 Rocco Baldelli Outfielder AAA Tampa Bay Devil Rays2003 Joe Mauer Catcher AA Minnesota Twins2004 Jeff Francis Pitcher AAA Colorado Rockies2005 Delmon Young Outfielder AAA Tampa Bay Devil Rays2006 Alex Gordon Third baseman AA Kansas City Royals2007 Jay Bruce Outfielder AAA Cincinnati Reds2008 Matt Wieters Catcher AA Baltimore Orioles2009 Jason Heyward Outfielder AAA Atlanta Braves2010 Jeremy Hellickson Pitcher AAA Tampa Bay Rays2011 Mike Trout Outfielder AA Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim2012 Wil Myers Outfielder AAA Kansas City Royals
USA Today Minor League Player of the Year
1990 Tino Martinez 1B Seattle Mariners1991 Mark Wohlers RHP Atlanta Braves1992 Carlos Delgado 1B Toronto Blue Jays1993 Cliff Floyd OF Montreal Expos1994 Billy Ashley OF Los Angeles Dodgers1995 Andruw Jones (1) OF Atlanta Braves1996 Andruw Jones (2) OF Atlanta Braves1997 Ben Grieve OF Oakland Athletics1998 Gabe Kapler OF Detroit Tigers1999 Rick Ankiel LHP St. Louis Cardinals2000 Josh Hamilton OF Tampa Bay Devil Rays2001 Josh Beckett RHP Florida Marlins2002 José Reyes SS New York Mets2003 Prince Fielder 1B Milwaukee Brewers2004 Jeff Francis LHP Colorado Rockies2005 Francisco Liriano LHP Minnesota Twins2006 Matt Garza RHP Minnesota Twins2007 Justin Upton OF Arizona Diamondbacks2008 David Price LHP Tampa Bay Rays2009 Jason Heyward OF Atlanta Braves2010 Jeremy Hellickson RHP Tampa Bay Rays2011 Paul Goldschmidt 1B Arizona Diamondbacks2012 Wil Myers OF Kansas City Royals
Wow. Thanks for this lists. It really puts how special Will Myers is.
Which, begs the question. Why in the world would you guys even entertain trading a talent like that??