Toronto clearly wants to win soon after making that deal with the Marlins.
Why not try to send them Dickey and Niese for D'Arnaud and Gose?
A lot of people here seem to think Niese is better than I think he is. I just don't see him as ever being more than a #3 starter. Dickey could win the CY young again next year, but he is 38 and probably won't be any good by the time this team is competitive. We would get the best catcher that we've had since Piazza and an extremely fast outfielder who would fit perfectly in Citi field.
The Jays would have a rotation consisting of:DickeyJohnsonNiese Buehrle
By 2015 our lineup could be:GoseTejadaWrightDavisD'ArnaudNimmoDekkerMurphy
When Santana's contract ends, we could use that money to sign a top free agent pitcher and a good #3 to replace Gee. That would fill out an already impressive rotation.We would have a good team of young players, especially if we could get a better 2B and SS through a trade or free agency.
Well, that would be my plan if I were manager.
" He could get better, but a pitcher who will probably peak at 11-13 Wins, a 3.6ish Era, and 150 Ks "
Peak at those numbers? He already surpassed many of those numbers last year at 25 years old, and he was better in the 2nd half of the season than the first half, so why do you assume he will peak at those numbers?
This team has 4 holes to fill as far as position players go (C and all 3 OF spots).
The ONLY way we trade either Dickey OR Niese is if we can fill 2 of those holes with solid young MLB players or TOP MLB ready prospects.
The only way we trade BOTH is if we fill ALL 4 Holes.
If we can't do that, then they have more value to this team by staying.
I'm saying he will average around those stats for the rest of his career. I may be wrong, but I just don't see him as being more than a #3 starter.I think D'Arnaud will be the second best catcher of the next 15 years(behind Zunino).
Do you think two more CY Young Awards from Dickey while we don't have a chance of winning and ten years of a pitcher who will probably be below 14 wins and about a 3.5 era for the rest of his career would be worth having over two prospects who are ready for the pros and would replace Thole and Bay in our lineup?