They also can't earn the benefit of doubt in one day.

We have 3 GMs. Surely one of them could focus on the OF, C or pen.

they need money to spend or players to trade for those positions (both of what they don't have now)

That pretty much is giving them the benefit of doubt. After what they've done the last few years, they deserve to be bashed and ripped and receive no faith from the fanbase until we actually see the team get significantly better.

Shouldn't we have around $20mm to spend right now?

"hey you can always be a yankee fan"

That's a classic troll response. If I wasn't a loyal Mets fan, wouldn't I have jumped ship a loooooong, long time ago? Same can be said about anyone here.

The difference is, my loyalties lie purely with the fanbase. Not with the Wilpons as at least some part of yours does if you believe someone's not a loyal fan if they don't have faith in those pieces of trash.

"lets see what they do at the winter meetings before declaring 2013 a bust. pretty reasonable"


Yes it is.

But then what would the complainers complain about if Mets address needs before OD 2013??

I think all fans would be very happy if we fixed the pen, OF and C.

So true.

Rebuilds take time. Only been 2 yrs now. Took Cashen 5 yrs (1980-84) for Mets to get over .500 & start competing for playoffs. Took Nats 5 yrs (2007-2011) just to get to .500 (2012 was yr #6 of Nats rebuild). Can't expect Alderson to do it TOO much faster than that -- ESPECIALLY after inheriting the mess Omar left him!!!

Offseason still young. How bout we see what happens between now & OD?

You're right, they can't fix everything in one day.

The single biggest problem with the Mets is, and continues to be, that they don't have a plan.

Either you rebuild or you don't. The Mets want to do both at the same time and it simply doesn't work.

Now that they have extended Wright's contract, they cannot stop there and must now sign Dickey as well. The Mets cannot go into 2013 with virtually the same players it had in 2012 because the results will be the same. In other words, the Mets must increase the payroll in order to compete in 2013.

Mets have to at the very least get 1 good productive OF and fix the pen in order to improve. The other improvement is either a catcher or another productive OF which may have to come as part of a trade.

By the way, if Dickey is willing to sign a 2 year deal, why not do that and then trade him? A team getting Dickey for 3 years would be willing to give up more right?

Having Wright and Dickey on the team while playing losing baseball is not going to fill up the stadium. Winning will, even if it was without Dickey and Wright.

Signing Wright and Dickey to Extensions is a no brainer if the contending in 2014 and beyond talk is true. Their extensions do not affect 2013 payroll and with all the money coming off in 2014 their new deals will fit into the payroll easily. Wrights numbers will replace Bay and Dickeys numbers will replace Santanas and still leave 15 mil over.

Competing in 2013 has nothing to do with those 2, its what they do to fill out the rest of the roster with the 10 mil they have to spend and assets to trade. Thats where Sandy's offseason will be graded.

The single biggest problem with the Mets is, and continues to be, that they don't have a plan.

Either you rebuild or you don't. The Mets want to do both at the same time and it simply doesn't work.

Can you give me 3 examples in the last 25 years of teams that have tried it and failed?

And isn't trying to rebuild while being good a plan?