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  • To:All
  • 6/13/12
  • Haldane

TAX RATES ON THE TOP BRACKET

1918 - 77%
1921 -73%
1923 - 56%
1924 - 46%
1925 - 28%
1929 - 24%
GREAT DEPRESSION
1945 - 94%
1955 - 91%
1965 - 70%
1975 - 70%
1980 - 70%
1982 - 50%
1987 - 38%
1993 - 38%
2003 - 35%
2008 - GREAT RECESSION
2011 - Effective tax rate 17% and declining
2012 GREAT DEPRESSION II?

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  • 6/14/12
  • Haldane
WOW!!!!!????? You got all of that from those simple numbers? You forgot to mention "Luciferian" though.
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  • 6/14/12
  • lgm55
I know this is hard to understand because you don't make a lot of money... but my taxes are 50% all in... 5-0. Don't talk to me about 17% effective rate you have no clue.
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  • 6/14/12
  • hammr1952
needless to say many have no clue.
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  • 6/14/12
  • Haldane
Sorry, but I hardly believe that you are in the top tax bracket. Besides, if you're really paying 50% of your income into taxes (which I also hardly believe), you should fire your accountant - because he/she <sux>!
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  • 6/14/12
  • Haldane
The point of the facts are that there appears to be a direct correlation between the tax rate of the richest people in the world and the health of the economy and the country. It's not about you personally or how much you make, or think you make. If you want to make a point that there are many more factors to be considered when we look at the historical tax rates and the strength of the nation's economy - that's fair. But bemoaning your pathetic tax situation kind of misses the point.
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  • 6/14/12
  • vinfrommv
he is adding his state and property and other things. There is no way his federal is 50%.
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  • 6/14/12
  • vinfrommv

btw, where was the mass exodus of rich people and wealth and jobs when taxes were so high? The so called "brain-drain"

We keep hearing from the right that if you raise taxes, the rich will leave and jobs will go with it. Seems to me that the JOBS LEFT THE MORE WE LOWERED TAXES, the exact opposite of what they claim.

btw, where did you find those numbers?


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  • 6/14/12
  • vinfrommv

excuse me, but nobody is sayin to give them all our money. We are talkin about raising taxes on the very rich, the elite, the luciferians you hate. The corporations that send jobs over seas and polute our land. The wall street theives that ruined property values and drive up the prices of energy.

You talk about them all the time but you want to lower their taxes and deregulate markets and help acquire more power?

I dont understand your veiws. Everything you beleive in should put you on the side of the little guy, but yet you are on the side of the elite. WT>F?

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  • 6/14/12
  • vinfrommv

The elite pay no tax so your answer is to eliminate tax? that doesnt make much sense to me.

IF the ELITE are truly Elite, people don't compete with them, they strive to join them.

if you eliminate income tax, how do you pay for social security, military, infrastructure, bridges, hospitals?

Fortune 100 corporations. Okay they did pay a rate of 2.4% last year. <
Organized religion. How much tax free real estate and income does the Vatican control<

OKAY SO WHY CANT WE TAX THEM?

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  • 6/14/12
  • vinfrommv

You say you are watching the big picture but this is the only major point I don't agree with. These ELITE or "luciferians" as you like to call them, already are gods. They control what we eat, breath, read, spend, etc. They have been running the planet forever. There is some truth to all that.

But you want people to fear this end game where they want ww3 and one world government and it just seems that they already have a one global economy, global government is useless. Control the money and you control it all. They already have everything they need. The real end game for them would be to expand to a new planet cuz this one is shot and on lock down anyway.

you think guns, weak federal government, and strong states rights will protect you?

Isn't it possible that some of what you say is a bit off in all this? You claim to have it ALL figured out, all kinds of details about the future and past. You don't talk with the slightest bit of uncertaintity and thats what bothers me. Some things are facts and undisputed, motives can never be facts unless you talk about your own motives. Nobody can ever truly know the motives of others for such certainty.

If everything you say about the Luciferians are true, the only way for you to know this would be if you are or were a Luciferian at some point and part of the inner circle. That being said, I doubt you would be wasting your time watching the mets. If i was a master of the universe most of my days would be spend on yachts and beaches with the hottest broads in the world!

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  • 6/14/12
  • Haldane

Orwellian is a shining example of a modern, and somewhat peculiar phenomenon - both right and left wing paranoids believe the government is out to get them. The right believe that the country will suffer a communist / socialist takeover, and the left believe it will be a fascist /corporatist takeover. Both sides believe the world's governments are at the mercy of a One World Conspiracy headed by the world's richest people. They differ slightly in some of their beliefs, but essentially they believe the same thing.

My money is on the Fascist / Corporatists, but then I'm a paranoid leftist.

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  • 6/14/12
  • vinfrommv
My money is on the fact that they ALREADY TOOK OVER long ago and have no reason to kill us all because they need people to pick up their garbage and cook their food etc. Why would slave owners want to wage war on their slaves? They are smart enough to know one thing that a pimp once said, you dont choke a hoe on the chain, you make the hoe want the chain and love the chain.
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  • 6/15/12
  • onigino

Nice try presenting rates and calling it "facts"

Why not give the actual numbers and not rates?

Check out these FACTS

http://ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.html

2009 data:

The top 10% of income earners (adjusted gross income over $112,124) paid 70.47% of all income taxes. (how many adults think that somebody making $112K is "rich"?)

So inversely, the bottom 90% of income earners paid 29.53%. Less than a third!

Again, that is 90% of taxpayers paying less than a third. How much more would you like to shift the tax burden? Should the bottom 90% pay 20%? 10%?

How much more redistribution of wealth would you like?

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  • 6/15/12
  • vinfrommv

you are right, 113k is not rich. And while the top 10% pay the most, they have the most, due to the top 1% that has MORE than 50% of ALL THE WEALTH IN THE COUNTRY.

Obama wanted to raise taxes on people making OVER 250,000 a year. How many people think that is rich? I do. I wake up every day grinning ear to ear if I was taking home more than 2k a week and if you make 250,000 its more like 3k. TAKE HOME. AFTER TAX!

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