Hey Marlin fans, Jays fan here in peace.

On the Jays forum we've been throwing ideas around of trade involving Halladay, very hot topic amongst us. One of the trades I suggested was a 3 way deal involving you guys. Don't shoot me if it sounds bad, but here goes. Offer suggestions if you need or tweaks.

Halladay gets a contract extension and goes to the Dodgers

Marlins send Hanley to the Jays

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The Dodgers send you Kershaw & Devaris Gordon

"The Dodgers send you Kershaw & Devaris Gordon"
So you want to give us kershaw(as if we don't have enough young inexperienced talent) & some guy I've never heard of for Hanley Ramirez(1 of the top 5 players in the game. As horrible as that sounds I'll pass. Maybe if you replace Hanley with Uggla or Cantu. :)

GO FISH!!! 09 AND BEYOND!!!!

"The Dodgers send you Kershaw & Devaris Gordon"
So you want to give us kershaw(as if we don't have enough young inexperienced talent) & some guy I've never heard of for Hanley Ramirez(1 of the top 5 players in the game. As horrible as that sounds I'll pass. Maybe if you replace Hanley with Uggla or Cantu. :)"

Don't take this the wrong way. But your team has a payroll in the area of 35 million dollars. I know Hanley's a steal at his current rate, but your team is gonna end up losing alot of other players in order to keep Hanley. Your tone is of one that it makes it sound as though you're looking for established players. How many established players can you pay and maintain a payroll of 30-35 million?

As for Kershaw, the kid is 21 years old had a monster year in LA and is dirt cheap for awhile, LH SP with a 95 mph heater and a disgusting curve. As for Devaris Gordon, son of Tom Gordon, SS with speed to burn.

www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=strang001dev

That's your opinion, I just think you're not looking at the Marlins in a realistic light?

Edit: You don't think that Uggla or Cantu are worth Halladay do ya?

I have to agree. If you're gonna trade away one of the best in the game, you better get a good deal. I definitely don't want to see another Miggie-esque trade.

I have been a fish fan for long enough to have a very good idea of how this team spends money. There are cheap established players out their. More importantly I just meant that we have enough young pitching talent. The fish should be looking for veteran arms in the rotation not young kids(we have 7+ young starters).

"You don't think that Uggla or Cantu are worth Halladay do ya?" I realize we would need to add another player, say Andrew Miller. On that note do YOU actually believe that Kershaw & some loser are worth the fish giving up hanley? I would hope you don't really believe that. Besides as long as we drop Uggla and Nick plus a couple of our relievers we can afford to keep Hanley and the rest of the team.

"So you want to give us kershaw(as if we don't have enough young inexperienced talent) & some guy I've never heard of for Hanley Ramirez(1 of the top 5 players in the game."

"You don't think that Uggla or Cantu are worth Halladay do ya?" I realize we would need to add another player, say Andrew Miller. On that note do YOU actually believe that Kershaw & some loser are worth the fish giving up hanley?"

Just wondering how you go from never hearing about Gordon to classifying him as a loser?

Seeing as you guys follow the build & burn model to run the team. When do you plan on competing by signing cheap established players that are gonna take you over the top?

I just figured with Kershaw, you're getting a kid that put up monster numbers as a 21 year old in the majors. At the same age, Han Ram was putting up a pretty dull year in AA. Just saying you're getting someone more proven than Hanley was at his age relative to the level of ball they were at. And you'd be getting a shortstop that could slide into that spot for Opening Day 2011.

Look all I'm saying is that you're aiming a bit too high asking for Hanley. Throw a couple of other names at me and maybe we have a deal.

As far as Devaris goes I looked up his stats and his isn't a loser but he hasn't played higher than low A. I highly doubt he would even be ready for 2011, and besides we need more power not more speed. We already have Maybin and Coghlan for the top of the order, not to mention the fastest man on earth Boni-useless-facio.

GO FISH!!!

"Look all I'm saying is that you're aiming a bit too high asking for Hanley. Throw a couple of other names at me and maybe we have a deal."

As far as Devaris goes I looked up his stats and his isn't a loser but he hasn't played higher than low A. I highly doubt he would even be ready for 2011, and besides we need more power not more speed. We already have Maybin and Coghlan for the top of the order, not to mention the fastest man on earth Boni-useless-facio."

What about Matt Kemp & Devaris to you. I suggest Gordon, because if you lose Hanley, you're gonna need a prospect to slid in there in the coming years, seeing as there's not much on the horizon on that side of the IF other than Dominguez

To the Jays Hanley

To the Dodgers Halladay.

And if prospects need to be added elsewhere to even the trade out then do it.

I can see that you are fairly adamant about getting Hanley so after much searching I have come up with the only reasonable offer I could think of.

To the Jays: Hanley

To the Marlins: Blake, Kemp, Gordon

To the dodgers: Halladay

I'm not adamant about getting Hanley, I just look at the gaping holes on our team and tried to facilitate a trade involving Halladay, who i hope is dealt from our team. And when we're trading one of the best pitchers in baseball, hopefully allowing a team to work out an extension to make the trade worthwhile, we're gonna need a serious return back for him.

Hanley is serious, Uggla and or Cantu are not. Geez Cantu & Uggla aren't even the best players at their position in your own division.

"Geez Cantu & Uggla aren't even the best players at their position in your own division."
And Halladay isn't the best pitcher in your division, but you don't always need to get the best guy. Anyway, what did you think of my last proposal.

I was wondering do you have something against scutaro?

Scutaro's a solid, intelligent player.

Problem is he put in 2 solid years near his mid 30's for the 1st time ever and made himself a Type A free agent.

He's not gonna get any better than he is in 2010 as a 34 year old. So if we let him walk, get 2 pretty high picks for him and go after someone else or bring up a prospect that may still have upside, we kill it.

But its a double-edged sword because teams might be reluctant to part with 1st round picks to sign Marco.

Its really just time to move on from him. Unless our GM Anthopoulos decides he's a year stop gap to find something else or work on talks like I have been with you, but on a more official scale. :)

who is better than halladay? just wondering

Sabathia and there are probably others you could make the case for as well. It is really just a matter of opinion. :)

I'd say Tim Lincecum and Cliff Lee are better than Halladay. Heck, even JJ is looking like he might be better than Halladay, and if Nolasco continues next year the way he ended this year, he would be just as good as Halladay. That's the way I see it.

i was talking about the AL east. but in all of baseball, maybe a "sober" Tim Lincecum and a healthy johan santana. thats about it in my opinion.

There's definitely more pitchers then that who can best Halladay. Keep in mind, Halladay has had like 2 injury free seasons in the last 10 years. The other thing with Halladay, is why would you give up much for him when you can just sign John Lackey and give up a draft pick and pay less salary then you'd be paying Halladay with an extension.

Another thing this Blue Jay fan is forgetting is that it's the Blue Jays with their backs up against the wall to get rid of Halladay. They won't sign him to an extension, they can't compete in the AL East next year, not if the Yankees keep their World Series team in tact.....So, other then drawing fans to the game, Halladay is basically useless to the Jays next year. On top of that, Halladay will more then likely be suiting up as a Yankee or Red Sock next year if the Jays don't trade him now.

If you want to know what the Jays could realistically get for Halladay, look at what the Indians got for Sabathia and it'll probably be pretty darn close. From the Marlins if we weren't a low payroll team, you could probably get Mike Stanton and Andrew Miller.

wow. i guess im the only one that think halladay is the best pitcher in baseball. i mean for a guy who pitches in the AL East and has like a complete game every other start (exaggerating of course), i would have definitely put him on top right now......but again, we all have our opinons.......

2009: 17-10 2.79 era
2008: 20-11 2.78 era
2007: 16-7 3.71 era
2006: 16-5 3.19 era
2005: 12-4 2.41 era (only 19 games)
2004: 8-8 4.20 era (21 games)
2003: 22-7 3.25 era (Cy Young Award)
2002: 19-7 2.93 era

thats pretty consistent. especially pitching in the AL East

This guy is laughable. First of all, the Jays are gonna lose Halliday, and they are not going to get top shelf established players in return. He needs to come to the realization that the most they will get is prospects for Halliday. That's number one. Number two is that although this team needs to trade Hanley because he's a big BABY who quit on his team, the ownership is not going to do a salary dump with him. Whoever they trade him for has to fork over top notch established talent, or the Fish won't do it. The new stadium opens in two years; the owners will not do something stupid to lose more fans and get the media to trash them like they did with the Fire Fredi move. They will hold him rather than do that. I do however have a good trade for Hanley but it would be with Boston, not Toronto. Hanley for Lester & Papelbon. The Sox have a guy ready to close for them, and they have pitching. They need PUNCH in their line up. We need a closer & a front line starter, and will not accept anything but top notch talent for Hanley. I would do that trade. I wouldn't do that Dodgers/Jays trade.