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he has got robbed a lot in this park but his walks and doubles and avg r dicusting lol he should be sent down for rest of year and give montero and carp 1b/dh for rest of year. let jaso catch with odd montero and olivo

He is trash.

Stephen Strasburg has more doubles than him. His wOBA is nearing Chone Figgins territory.

I've given up on him.

Very true. He has been awful at Safeco which obviously does not suit him well His hot streak when he was named player of the week was during a road stretch, I believe. Here's the home/road split

Home: .167 .224 .250 .474 3HR Awful
Road .239 .304 .413 .717 8HR Not Good

I was thinking about this earlier in the day. I don't live in Washington anymore, so I don't know which M's commercials they're airing; but I hope they've taken the Smoak "Timber!" ad off the air.

Bust. Either someone else tinkered with his swing, which decreased his production, which ruined his confidence, or he never had Major League pitch recognition to begin with and Jack Z got duped into trading Cliff Lee for him. That many ML at-bats as he's had, and he's no closer to the production levels the team needs? Time for a trade. Perhaps in the offseason. Let him try to salvage his career somewhere else, a la Mike Morse. Wells or Carp for full time 1B.

The sample size is growing and the improvement is not coming.

Were are expectations too high for him?

Possibly.

I think he is just a bust of a prospect.

It happens.

Travis Lee, Chris Davis .... Jose Lopez.

Yeah, I might wait until next year or 2014 before I officially call him the B word. But I am getting pretty confident that is what he is.

I hope next year they don't have any Smoak promotion nights like the Smoakamotive.

I personally have witnesses 6 balls hit to the warning track in Safeco that would have been gone elsewhere. And I've probably only watched 2/3rds of the home games. That'll suppress the numbers some.

One of Smoak's issues is his Ground Ball to Fly Ball ratio (G/F). Simply stated, he puts the ball in the air a lot.

Compare him to the more successful in 2012 Casper Wells and Michael Saunders, who are currently hitting many more ground balls.

The most successful Mariners' hitter in Safeco history is mr ground ball himself, Ichiro.

With the park configured/dimensioned as it is currently, ground ball hitters are the recipe for success at Safeco.

Small quibble, Jose Lopez turned out pretty much the way most people thought. There was a vocal minority that thought he'd be better, but they were generally ignored. I think Betancourt was the bigger disappointment of the two.

As for Smoak, we'll see. We're making a big deal out of his numbers now when he's having an absolutely abysmal month, while there was no criticism during May. In the end, he's the one who's going to have to do it, or not.

I too have been critical of Justin Smoak ... lets face it the Mariners are a young club and are no threat to the league right now. So lets allow the young players some room and time to develop. That includes Smoak.

Smoak's percentage of fly balls may just be an indicator he is not suited for Safeco. Beltre drove me crazy while he was here, loved the man but he was not suited for Safeco. I think Safeco gets into hitters head after a time and they press too much. Visiting hitters can come into Safeco with a decent swing and mental attitude (from playing elsewhere) and hit okay ... but the Mariners are here 50% of their games and I think the place gets into their heads.

Move the fences in? Could be what they have to do. I'll be interested in seeing what the Ms do during the offseason ... I bet the fences come in. But that won't solve the problem of line drives hanging in the air just long enough for speedy outfielders to track them down. Safeco will always be a tough place for line drive hitters (Ackley), the heavy air seems to transform doubles into fly ball outs.

Moving the fences in would favor power hitters over line-drive hitters, thus Smoak (with the fences in) could be a good fit.

Play out the year, let the young guys play and develop, get ready for Hultzen, Paxton and Walker. Hopefully it will all come together in 2013 (fences in) and 2014.

Ms should send Smoak to AAA and during the offseason to Winterball to work on hitting. Bring up Liddi to play 1st (a little OJT).

We'll trade you Cliff Lee for him and Beavan.
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Oh, wait! Too late. Sorry.

I would think he will be doing something to get a lot of work in on his swing this offseason. Honestly, I think he is beyond the point of getting sent down. He has to sink or swim in the bigs.

It might take some pressure off him if he's sent to Tacoma to work on his approach. They have the option of trying Liddi or Carp at 1st in the meantime. Seager has 3rd wrapped up. Liddi isn't much of an outfielder so 1st seems like his only alternative outside of being included in a trade. Carp isn't a long-term answer but could also play 1st. He isn't much of an outfielder either.)

* In the off-season, Ms need to think seriously about trying to find a RF to replace Ichiro who brings a bat. (Don't renew Ichiro's contract. Drop Figgens.)

* Consider trading Vargas at the deadline for a prospect with some power who can play the outfield. As an inexpensive lefty he has some attraction.

I hope Smoak can get it going. I just don't see that happening. He seems unable to make the adjustments.